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Oregon Bill Legalizes Starving Dementia Patients
Church Militant ^ | April 28, 2017 | Bradley Eli, M.Div., Ma.Th.

Posted on 04/30/2017 7:02:32 PM PDT by Coleus

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To: TigersEye

Oh yeah.....probably right!


41 posted on 04/30/2017 9:24:12 PM PDT by caww
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To: Kickass Conservative
I just watched the Movie Judgment at Nuremberg the other night.

Interestingly, the beginning of it all, the concept of leibens unswertesleibens (life not worthy of life) was not a Nazi-era law, but an earlier Progressive stage--the Weimar Republic. The Nazis (who were Progressives also) were just using what was lying around.

42 posted on 04/30/2017 10:17:46 PM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: TigersEye

My wife cared for her wheelchair bound dad for 25 years, and ALZ mom for 6 years. They both died on the farm here.
I will say that spouses may need a man cave to survive odd dramas. My dad went quick, at age 57, with congestive heart failure from diabetes. I kid my wife that I want to go quick..

We’re near Salem, and will surely add our voice to this..


43 posted on 04/30/2017 10:58:08 PM PDT by bigmak007 (They who can't control their own passions, want to passionately control others.)
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To: Coleus

The horrors contemplated and proposed in Oregon are past belief and redemption.


44 posted on 05/01/2017 4:16:45 AM PDT by Lion Den Dan
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To: ladyjane

Hospice DOES NOT starve or dehydrate people! Insinuating that we do is both ignorant and insulting!

WE alleviate uncomfortable symptoms. Period. God decides when our patients are called home.


45 posted on 05/01/2017 4:19:37 AM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Dementia runs in my family. I love Alaska, snow, and snowdogs (not brown bears), and when I read “Snow Walker” I thought that that is how I should go. Thing is, I won’t be able to make that decision for myself. I wonder how the rates of dementia and Alzheimer’s has increased due to technology and becoming office chair potatoes.


46 posted on 05/01/2017 4:29:54 AM PDT by huldah1776 ( Vote Pro-life! Allow God to bless America before He avenges the death of the innocent.)
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To: Coleus

HERE YA GO, LOONEY CHRISTIANS!

” and other mental illnesses. “


47 posted on 05/01/2017 4:30:46 AM PDT by huldah1776 ( Vote Pro-life! Allow God to bless America before He avenges the death of the innocent.)
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To: clee1

——End stage dementia patients——

Interesting concept. What is “end stage”

I have recently heard that there is a sort of “mean dementia” where the patient goes haywire and lashes out. I have a friend that has uncontrollable outbursts against everybody and is an extended care facility. My mom was in a similar state but not so bad. Her meanness took the form of writing long very nasty letters or making mean comments.

Towards the end, she had swallowing problems that may have contributed to her death.


48 posted on 05/01/2017 4:33:46 AM PDT by bert (K.E.; N.P.; GOPc;WASP .... Hillary is Ameritrash, pass it on)
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To: Coleus

Oh, by the way, I read the Bible slowly (taking notes) cover to cover and I am just starting Judges. Having finished Joshua I am particularly vigilant for national consequences of rebellion (nice way of saying promised threats) and I have been wondering how long it will be before the Great Tribulation. Before abortion becoming worldwide I couldn’t imagine why God would be so angry.

Well, this morning a note dropped out of my Bible. Genesis 15:16 [Abraham was told] “Then in the fourth generation they shall return here, for the iniquity of the Amorite is not yet complete.” God told Abraham about his descendants going to another nation and being enslaved for 400 years then returning because the Amorites who lived in the Promised Land weren’t as bad as they were going to be and being wiped out wasn’t going to happen until they practiced child sacrifice.

So, we have about 6 nations in the world that outlaw pre-born genocide. Is God waiting for all nations to legalize child sacrifice? Is God waiting for all nations to become equally abominable? Last year was Israel’s 40th year.

I think we should sue these people for what they are doing in provoking God to wrath.


49 posted on 05/01/2017 4:49:35 AM PDT by huldah1776 ( Vote Pro-life! Allow God to bless America before He avenges the death of the innocent.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Saves money. Nothing’s cheaper than death.

Two things are inevitable, death and taxes.

So naturally, the state encourages both.

50 posted on 05/01/2017 4:51:20 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: clee1

You are absolutely right. And medical and care providers discuss this with the families of patients who are fortunate enough to have them. What concerns me are the dementia patients who have no one to look out for them and raise holy Hell if need be. Seems to me this legislation is trying to fix something that isn’t broken. Which makes one wonder why.


51 posted on 05/01/2017 4:58:47 AM PDT by mewzilla (Was Obama surveilling John Roberts? Might explain a lot.)
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To: ladyjane

LJ, when a dementia patient is unable to swallow, there are no good choices. And aspiration pneumonia is not a pleasant way to go. The real question is who is best equipped to decide for the patient who has no one to make the hard choices. The legislation does not address this satisfactorily. Not to my mind.


52 posted on 05/01/2017 5:06:55 AM PDT by mewzilla (Was Obama surveilling John Roberts? Might explain a lot.)
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To: Tunehead54
We treat our animals better.

If you did this to an animal you'd be arrested!

53 posted on 05/01/2017 5:15:42 AM PDT by 2nd amendment mama (Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: Coleus

this truly dangerous to Oregon’s leaders considering most liberals suffer from dementia. Are they going to lock themselves and starve


54 posted on 05/01/2017 6:10:00 AM PDT by okie 54
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To: TYVets

Disgraced former Governor Kitzhaber placed a moratorium on executions...against the will of the voters..and useless Kate Brown continues the policy. Death row inmates probably eat better than many of Oregon’s citizens.


55 posted on 05/01/2017 7:48:38 AM PDT by gundog (Hail to the Chief, bitches.)
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To: clee1

I am not insinuating anything. I am stating that patients are dehydrated. In fact, I was told by the hospice nurse that it’s a pleasant way to go.

To deny that patients are being dehydrated is avoiding the truth.

Do some googling. Your’ll find in a couple of minutes health professionals pushing dehydration, e.g., “”The process of starving to death seems very barbaric but in actuality is very peaceful,” said Dr. Fred Mirarchi, assistant clinical professor of emergency medicine at Drexel University College of Medicine in Philadelphia.


56 posted on 05/01/2017 8:06:07 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: bigmak007

You and your wife know better than most how much stress and sacrifice is involved in care giving. And you know the rewards as well I’m sure. It’s harder than any job and it’s more than a duty it’s family.

Good luck fighting this evil bill.


57 posted on 05/01/2017 12:00:14 PM PDT by TigersEye (Make up my mind, NBC,CBS,CNN,ABC. What are the "facts" today?)
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To: Coleus

I live in Arkansas and just witnessed all this outpouring against the death penalty. One of the things of concern was if these animals being executed would suffer pain as they were dying.

Having just gone through three weeks of Hospice with my Father last December I could only think was were are you people about the suffering of patients in Hospice?

I have have had a lot of reflective thought on this and I just look at Hospice as either, Assisted Suicide, or even more so, Legalized Assisted Murder.

I would oppose vehemently a Bill as this in Oregon. It is wrong and pretty much amounts to Murder any way you cut it.

I am tired of hearing the phrase death with dignity, I don’t think it exists.


58 posted on 05/01/2017 12:07:48 PM PDT by Captain Peter Blood
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To: clee1

Sorry I beg to disagree. Been through it and I found it a horrible experience. It’s barbaric, I would rather my Father have swallowed a Cup of Hemlock than watch what I did.


59 posted on 05/01/2017 12:12:30 PM PDT by Captain Peter Blood
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To: bert

ES dementia is when a patient can no longer self ambulate (walk without assistance or self-propel a wheelchair) and can no longer have meaningful speech (cannot express their needs).

There are numerous types of dementia from the basic “senile dementia” which is the common forgetfulness/eccentricity of the very elderly all the way up to ES Alzheimer’s dementia.

Most dementia pts can/do exhibit some irritability/aggression, but Lewey Body dementia is the epitome of this. Very difficult to control.


60 posted on 05/01/2017 12:46:08 PM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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