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Oregon Bill Legalizes Starving Dementia Patients
Church Militant ^ | April 28, 2017 | Bradley Eli, M.Div., Ma.Th.

Posted on 04/30/2017 7:02:32 PM PDT by Coleus

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To: mewzilla

I don’t like this legislation at all.

Sounds like the insurance company/medicare trying to save a buck.

For the record, Hospice agencies are paid a per diem to manage a patient’s terminal condition. MUCH cheaper than hospitals and multiple doctors. It is in a Hospice providers financial interest to keep a patient alive as long as possible.

Hospice providers are required to advocate for the patient.


61 posted on 05/01/2017 12:49:30 PM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: ladyjane

That hospice nurse and that Dr are obviously idiots. Dehydration (in people with a thirst sense intact) is a hideous way to go.

Mild/moderate dehydration for several days leads to renal failure resulting in urea poisoning, which IS a peaceful way to go. MUCH better than pneumonia.

Pneumonia and renal failure are the two primary proximal causes of death.


62 posted on 05/01/2017 12:54:59 PM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: Captain Peter Blood

I’m sorry you had a bad experience. I have had thousands of patients whose families would disagree.


63 posted on 05/01/2017 12:57:53 PM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: Coleus

Nazi Eugenics in a nutshell. The Nazis may have been destroyed but their legacy continues under various names: euthanasia, mental health, etc.

Once the precedent is set the definition of “quality of life” will change to justify the murders of ever-widening groups of people.


64 posted on 05/01/2017 1:24:35 PM PDT by Seruzawa (I kill you filthy Vorga.)
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To: Coleus

I was caretaker for an aunt with dementia. She was in a nursing facility. She slipped and fell and broke her hip.

When she came out of surgery her dementia had worsened. She had lost the ability to swallow. It was such that we could try to teach her to swallow through occupational therapy. Except by the time the next meal came by, she would have “forgotten” once again.

So, she wasn’t eating. She was in pain.

Pain meds were keeping her comfortable.

At what stage do you allow them to end their fight?


65 posted on 05/01/2017 1:28:53 PM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: clee1

Renal failure can lead to multiple cardiac events. Not a pleasant way to go.


66 posted on 05/01/2017 1:32:28 PM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: Vermont Lt

While true, it is rare in the very elderly and almost unheard of in the ES dementia patients.

It surprises alot of people, but over HALF of my Alzheimer’s patients had NO OTHER significant health issues.... NONE.


67 posted on 05/01/2017 1:39:40 PM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: Vermont Lt

I call it: Senior Citizen’s Dementia Hip Syndrome.

You’d be shocked at how common your aunt’s story is....


68 posted on 05/01/2017 1:41:23 PM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: clee1

So we learned.

Once we decided to let her go, she was unconscious in a day. But she lingered for a week...never regaining consciousness. I was amazed at how long she hung on.

What a long week that was.


69 posted on 05/01/2017 1:57:35 PM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: clee1

Probably because they didn’t think about the process and what is involved. If they separated their emotions and looked upon it with more logic they would realize it is barbaric and there is nothing peaceful or dignified about the process.


70 posted on 05/01/2017 1:57:38 PM PDT by Captain Peter Blood
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To: clee1

My aunt had no medical history. She went to the dentist every six months. No cavities ever. She walked 3-5 miles every day up until six months before she passed.

If not for the AD, should could have lived well into her 90’s.


71 posted on 05/01/2017 2:22:27 PM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: Captain Peter Blood

OK CBP.... your hatred of Hospice based on your bad experience is logical, while thousands of Americans that praise it to the skies are emotional.

Believe what you wish. Your emotions make you unable to be rational, therefore, I’m wasting my time on you.

Good day.


72 posted on 05/01/2017 2:25:36 PM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: TigersEye

My beautiful Mom has dementia. This makes me ill.


73 posted on 05/01/2017 2:44:33 PM PDT by dforest
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To: Coleus

I would bet cash money that if you allow a dog, cat or horse to starve in Oregon that you will be arrested and charged with cruelty.


74 posted on 05/01/2017 2:51:23 PM PDT by Nik Naym (It's not my fault... I have compulsive smart-ass disorder.)
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To: dforest

I am so sorry, dforest. It is really awful, a terrible trial for all involved with many difficult decisions to be made.

The government should not be involved at all. They clearly do not know how to make wise or compassionate choices.


75 posted on 05/01/2017 2:51:42 PM PDT by TigersEye (Make up my mind, NBC,CBS,CNN,ABC. What are the "facts" today?)
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To: TigersEye

Thanks, the thought of her being starved to death hurts me to the bone. Life can be so cruel anymore.


76 posted on 05/01/2017 3:02:34 PM PDT by dforest
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To: ladyjane

If it’s anything like fasting, you don’t feel hungry after the first three days. Nonetheless, if I want to starve to death, that is my choice. If I don’t want to starve to death and some old folks home starves me to death, that is murder.


77 posted on 05/01/2017 4:13:00 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: clee1
That hospice nurse and that Dr are obviously idiots. Dehydration (in people with a thirst sense intact) is a hideous way to go.

YES. I KNOW. MY MOTHER FOUND THAT OUT ALSO.

78 posted on 05/01/2017 5:12:25 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: clee1
That hospice nurse and that Dr are obviously idiots. Dehydration (in people with a thirst sense intact) is a hideous way to go.

YES. I KNOW. MY MOTHER FOUND THAT OUT ALSO.

79 posted on 05/01/2017 5:12:25 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: clee1

Thanks so much


80 posted on 05/02/2017 4:42:28 AM PDT by bert (K.E.; N.P.; GOPc;WASP .... Hillary is Ameritrash, pass it on)
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