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The U.S. Navy's Stealthy Zumwalt Class Destoyer: America’s New 'Pocket' Battleships?
National Interest ^ | 7/30/17 | Kyle Mizokami

Posted on 07/30/2017 3:56:21 PM PDT by Carbonsteel

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To: Carbonsteel

just another gov’t project

remember next time you are at DMV - the DMV employees you see are the best ones.

and now translate that to everyone in gov’t


21 posted on 07/30/2017 4:23:46 PM PDT by vooch (America First)
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To: Carbonsteel

rant bait for FR’s armchair admirals.


22 posted on 07/30/2017 4:24:40 PM PDT by JohnBrowdie
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To: gaijin

That, sir, is littoral fire support the way it should look.


23 posted on 07/30/2017 4:24:59 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: gaijin

It can destroy things....


24 posted on 07/30/2017 4:26:43 PM PDT by Paladin2 (No spelchk nor wrong word auto substition on mobile dev. Please be intelligent and deal with it....)
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To: Carbonsteel

Pocket Battleship? LOL. It has almost no survivability against anything that hits it, a teeny crew means not much damage control manpower, it has nearly no armor, and has no weapons designed for ship to ship warfare. The only antiship rounds were cancelled because they cost 800 bucks a pop.

But yeah, other than that its a pocket battleship.


25 posted on 07/30/2017 4:33:51 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

A submarine can power a small city.


26 posted on 07/30/2017 4:36:04 PM PDT by mylife (the roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: Billthedrill

LOL


27 posted on 07/30/2017 4:37:43 PM PDT by mylife (the roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: Carbonsteel

It looks like it might have submarine capabilities in high seas.


28 posted on 07/30/2017 4:39:11 PM PDT by Openurmind
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To: Carbonsteel
put a pair of 8" guns on them and let missiles to the guided precision work
29 posted on 07/30/2017 4:40:43 PM PDT by Chode (You have all of the resources you are going to have. Abandon your illusions and plan accordingly.)
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To: Carbonsteel

” Designed in part to support amphibious landings by the U.S. Marine Corps, the Zumwalts were meant to make up for the lack of big-gun firepower caused by the retirement of the Iowa-class destroyers.”

Yeah, losing those Iowa class destroyers was a blow. /s

And yeah, losing an 80s update Iowa BB meant losing 9 sixteen inch rifles and 12 five inch 38s guns. So how does the Navy replace that? With a gee whiz electric gizmo stealth ship carrying two 155 guns. The Marines already have 155mm.

Bottom line, the navy has decided the USMC does not need fire support. They were forced to pay lip service to it by congress and that’s what they did.


30 posted on 07/30/2017 4:43:37 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up.)
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To: Despot of the Delta

It doesn’t carry a rail gun. Just two 155mm.


31 posted on 07/30/2017 4:49:13 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up.)
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To: Carbonsteel
"Designed to attack targets far inland with precision-guided howitzer shells."

Hmmmm....I don't see any howitzers on that thing...

32 posted on 07/30/2017 4:59:47 PM PDT by unread (Joe McCarthy was right.......)
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To: DesertRhino
It doesn’t carry a rail gun. Just two 155mm.

Yet!

33 posted on 07/30/2017 5:03:03 PM PDT by papertyger (The semantics define how we think.)
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To: DesertRhino

That’s 800k a pop of course!


34 posted on 07/30/2017 5:11:11 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up.)
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To: gaijin
"Uh-huh. SURE." "Friggin RIDICULOUS."

Well yeah, they are kind of expensive but really accurate... I mean, we don't really want to hurt anybody../s

35 posted on 07/30/2017 5:12:18 PM PDT by unread (Joe McCarthy was right.......)
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To: Billthedrill

Been past the Bath Iron Works five times lately and I’m going to the nearby Maritime Museum in a couple of days.

Envy is in order, but I won’t gloat.


36 posted on 07/30/2017 5:21:05 PM PDT by KC Burke (If all the world is a stage, I would like to request my lighting be adjusted.)
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To: DesertRhino
Dunno about this navweaps.com site, but in looking for the range of these 155mm, found this:

In November 2016 the USN announced that it was abandoning the LRLAP round as its cost had soared to $800,000 to $1 million US per round. A total of 90 rounds had been purchased as of this date primarily for evaluation testing. As AGS was designed specifically for the LRLAP and cannot use any other munition, this basically means that the 155 mm guns on these ships are useless until an alternative round can be developed, probably many years in the future.

So, has spiffy guns with no ammo?

37 posted on 07/30/2017 5:25:03 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: Carbonsteel

boy this guy Don’t Know Jack ship about shit about ship... Iowa-class Destroyers ?

and I’m assuming he thinks it’s being derogatory to call the Zumwalt “pocket battleships”


38 posted on 07/30/2017 5:28:34 PM PDT by tophat9000 (Tophat9000)
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To: gaijin

Hmmm...Doesn’t even have a machine gun...


39 posted on 07/30/2017 5:38:35 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: doorgunner69
Well it still has the secondary 30mm auto cannon.

TARBUS ships Technically advanced but practically useless.

40 posted on 07/30/2017 5:39:49 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Winter is coming)
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