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Three Dangerous Delusions about Korea
Strategic Culture Foundation ^ | 09/02/2017 | JAMES GEORGE JATRAS

Posted on 09/03/2017 11:17:00 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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1 posted on 09/03/2017 11:17:00 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

It is beyond tedious to encounter all of the incessant hand-wringing and blather about North Korea. The United States should simply extricate ourselves from that region and let the Chinese, the Koreans, and the Japanese fight it out amongst themselves.


2 posted on 09/03/2017 11:32:27 AM PDT by DrPretorius
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“If protecting our own territory and people is American officials’ top priority, and not, as they implausibly claim, ‘regime change’ in North Korea, it’s hard to see why a double-freeze would not be a sensible first step. It would be largely up to China to see that the North Koreans complied with their part of the deal. If they did, perhaps it could lead towards a long-overdue settlement of this Cold War-era standoff and, in time, a reunited, neutral Korea. If not, all bets are off - but we’d be hardly worse off than we are now.”

and that is the weakness Lil Fat Kim and Xi are looking for ... and that would be the go for broke signal to both both armies - NK to SK, China to Taiwan.


3 posted on 09/03/2017 11:35:15 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: SeekAndFind

This guy is an expert? Then you’d think he’d know that there haven’t been US troops on the DMZ for may years now. The closest are probably in Uijongbu and are about to be moved quite a few miles south of Seoul.


4 posted on 09/03/2017 11:37:07 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: SeekAndFind
If not, all bets are off – but we’d be hardly worse off than we are now.

Sure we would- we would be defeated by having withdrawn from the field, any threats we made would be deemed unbelievable and we would still have to deal with a North Korean nuke threat.

We would be far worse off.

Our best bet is annihilation of North Korea. Trump gives the order, somewhere a Trident sub opens its missile tubes and 30-45 minutes later there's no longer a North Korea.

If Seoul or even Japan get hit with residual strikes, well, they've had decades to prepare and not done as much as they should have to hold up their end of the alliance. Their weakness has put us in a situation where we have to choose between our security and theirs. So it sucks to be them.

5 posted on 09/03/2017 11:38:03 AM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens")
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To: SeekAndFind

The delusions looks pretty correct. There is no “Military option” unless we want to get into a full scale war with China. That was a losing proposition 60 odd years ago, and still is today. No amount of bullshit or so called sanctions is going to make NK give up their nukes. Behind the scenes, no doubt China is encouraging and supporting them and that is unlikely to change...ever. Maybe we should just Nuklearize Japan and let them offset some of the areas BS and problems.


6 posted on 09/03/2017 11:45:24 AM PDT by GoldenPup
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To: SeekAndFind

Must have been written by an intellectual. That’s really the only sort of person who would invite failure and defeat in the name of being “smart.”


7 posted on 09/03/2017 11:45:51 AM PDT by Cincinnatus.45-70 (What do DemocRats enjoy more than a truckload of dead babies? Unloading them with a pitchfork!)
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To: pierrem15
You're exactly right. I hear lots of talk about what we supposedly can't do from the isolationists, but precisely zero real solutions from them. The only realistic non-military option is for China to dismantle both North Korea's nuclear capability and its regime, and I don't see that happening.

I was just listening to FoxNews on XM and just caught the end of some "analyst" wringing her hands about how there cannot be a military option because of all of the death and destruction it would cause on the Korean Peninsula. It may have been Marie Harff, which would be typical, but I'm not sure who it was.

Well sweetie, there will be a heck of a lot of death and destruction in one or more American cities if we don't stop this. These idiots with their heads in the sand truly believe we can just close our eyes and wish evil away. We absolutely positively would have lost WWII if these "can'tdonuffin"s had been in charge.

We have a military for a reason, and I can't imagine a more immediate threat deserving of being prevented via the full fury of that military than this one. I challenge any Libertarian isolationist to explain not what shouldn't be done, but instead precisely how they propose that we stop this threat.

8 posted on 09/03/2017 11:54:49 AM PDT by noiseman (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: GoldenPup

Japan Taiwan and S Korea need Nukes for self defense.


9 posted on 09/03/2017 11:57:25 AM PDT by jonathan-swift2000 (The Good news from Iraq the MSM won't publish.)
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To: GoldenPup

“Maybe we should just Nuklearize Japan and let them offset some of the areas BS and problems.”

Nobody in Asia should be so stupid as to piss off Japan.


10 posted on 09/03/2017 11:58:36 AM PDT by Bonemaker
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To: SeekAndFind

The writer is delusional.

1. He said: “There is one, and only one overriding priority that should now guide U.S. policy on Korea. It’s not regime change in North Korea – despite that regime’s loathsomeness – or even the wellbeing of South Korea or Japan. It’s avoiding Kim’s developing a missile system capable of delivering a nuclear weapon to the United States.”

As of today, that may have become a fait acommpli.

2. He misses entirely what is not in the self-interest of either China or Russia - robust anti-missile systems in South Korea and the growing possibility of Japan and/or South Korea developing their own nuclear arsenals.

A. Neither China nor Russia want to see that.
B. But both those things continue to increase in likelihood as North Korea’s nuclear ambitions are not shut down.

More and more China are seeing that if they do not want nuclear armed Japan and South Korea and both harboring advanced anti-missile systems, then the continuation of the regime in the north is not in THEIR interests as its actions will surely produced outcomes in Japan and South Korea they do not want.


11 posted on 09/03/2017 12:15:21 PM PDT by Wuli
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...imposing a ghastly cost on North Koreans (do their lives count?)

Given the situation ... no.

12 posted on 09/03/2017 12:38:04 PM PDT by TigersEye (0bama. The Legacy is a lie. The lie is the Legacy.)
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Exactly what to do. Anti-missile systems and Nukes. Then watch the Russians and Chinese start moving. Just make Japan and S Korea pay for it (full price). They need skin in the game.


13 posted on 09/03/2017 12:50:31 PM PDT by Rik0Shay
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“Then watch the Russians and Chinese start moving. Just make Japan and S Korea pay for it (full price).”

I have no doubt they would. I don’t understand the mistaken idea touted on FR often that they don’t now “pay their share” nor that the wouldn’t on more advanced security measures.


14 posted on 09/03/2017 12:56:54 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: SeekAndFind

The solution lies in convincing China that it’s in their best interest to take Fat Boi out and put in a more reasonable leader. They control NK, have no doubt about that. They don’t want to see the US have any greater influence at their back door nor do they presently see the urgency of taking him out because the more he keeps the US distracted from MAGA and other things, the better for China. Remember the Chinese philosophy does not include the concept of “win-win”. Only win. Only for China.


15 posted on 09/03/2017 12:59:58 PM PDT by bigbob (People say believe half of what you see son and none of what you hear - M. Gaye)
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To: DrPretorius

Absolutely! Why do we have troops there who are merely set up as the first casualties in any conflict? This is not the WWII era. There won’t be any ground battles. There will be nukes.


16 posted on 09/03/2017 1:03:23 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX (For they sow the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind. ~ Hosea 8:7)
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To: Cincinnatus.45-70
Jim Jatras is a Greek Orthodox Christian, or was, and for awhile worked under a senator in Idaho. CAIR was after him nonstop for being anti-muslim.

His mom used to hang out here in the days of bombing Serbia.

I am surprised to read what he has written here.

17 posted on 09/03/2017 1:14:39 PM PDT by MarMema
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One of my dear friends has a great great kid stationed there. He is a Trump supporter and a super wise young guy.

Anyone reading this, please add him to your prayers.

18 posted on 09/03/2017 1:16:11 PM PDT by MarMema
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Definitely. I pray for our troops and particularly ones who are directly in harm’s way. I wish politicians would stop using them as pawns in their nation-building fantasies.


19 posted on 09/03/2017 1:19:49 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX (For they sow the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind. ~ Hosea 8:7)
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To: SeekAndFind

” Everyone knows there are no military «options» the U.S. could use against North Korea that don’t result in disaster. “

Complete bullshit. This is the language of the soon dead.

There are several military option that do not result in disaster to US persons.


20 posted on 09/03/2017 1:53:25 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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