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BREAKING: US Senate Passes Historic Tax Reform Package, 51-49
Townhall.com ^ | December 2, 2017 | Guy Benson

Posted on 12/02/2017 1:37:52 AM PST by Kaslin

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To: SkyPilot

“Are we all Communists?”

Naw. Just whiners.

Btw, still waiting for you answer to these 2 questions:

Why should Fedzilla subsidize the state taxes of any state?

Please please explain how this is even remotely conservative?


141 posted on 12/02/2017 6:11:02 AM PST by TheStickman (#MAGA all day every day!)
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To: SkyPilot

It is entertaining to watch many here Seal clapping Government


142 posted on 12/02/2017 6:12:42 AM PST by Jarhead9297
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To: vette6387

I agree, there is an outline from both houses, this is NOT the tax reform that will hit Trump’s desk. Now the real work begins. Merging both house/senate plans to formulate the actual tax reform legislation.

Man...at this point, anything is better than nothing.


143 posted on 12/02/2017 6:14:02 AM PST by servantboy777
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To: jeffc

Are you serious—tax increases?

And government spending should be slashed—from the feds on down to the local level.


144 posted on 12/02/2017 6:16:15 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: vette6387

So when someone makes a thoughtful and specific comment about why they do not like the tax bill all you can do is come up with an ad hominem response. Not very persuasive on your part.


145 posted on 12/02/2017 6:16:30 AM PST by Founding Father (The Pedophile moHAMmudd [PBUH---Pigblood be upon him]; Charles Martel for President)
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To: SkyPilot

The only problem with the Uncle Sam cartoon is that it looks like he’s just taking excess cash, when in reality, he’s sucking the life’s blood from states and local governments. Unfortunately, the states and local governments have been willing participants in uncle’s schemes, so even their valid protests ring somewhat hollow.


146 posted on 12/02/2017 6:16:36 AM PST by antidisestablishment ( Xenophobia is the only sane response to multiculturalismÂ’s irrational cultural exuberance)
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To: TheStickman

Subsidization is the result of THEFT by ALL LEVELS of government and they have used us as pawns to argue about whether someone’s money belong to them the individual or not!!

They are providing further tax relief to the individuals in those states at the Fed level BECAUSE these states and their individuals already pay the THE HIGHEST federal income taxes anyway!! They shelter the majority of the federal burden. But hey let’s get rid of their deductions and steal more more more into the fat federal coffers and keep spending spending spending!!


147 posted on 12/02/2017 6:16:51 AM PST by Jarhead9297
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To: SkyPilot

Lights are up and getting the tree later today. Going to be a great Christmas.

Seriously though, I think MAGA is headed in the right direction. Things are not as they seem and the MSM is almost always proven wrong in the end. Remember that MSM wants Trump to fail. They will never take his side on anything. I think even Mike Flynn is a positive development for Trump.

I am going to wait on events. I don’t claim to have inside scoop but I am putting a lot of pieces together. I think all of us will be pleased with the final outcomes. Also a tax bill today does not mean there won’t be more tax bills later that will cut taxes more. I live in Connecticut which has onerous tax rates so I likely won’t benefit much under the new federal bill but I blame Connecticut, not Trump. When Trump gets more support in Congress after 2018, I expect more good things will happen faster.


148 posted on 12/02/2017 6:17:38 AM PST by SamAdams76
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To: alloysteel

By getting rid of the individual mandate, they effectively killed deathcare. The only people who will sign up are those who are very sick or those who are subsidized.

I hope the national debt continues to be ignored. Paying off the national debt is just code words that mean the middle class gets screwed to pay off debt held by foreigners and the donor class.

Politics is a scam and we’re suckers for playing.


149 posted on 12/02/2017 6:19:02 AM PST by RKBA Democrat (Hope and redemption are to be found in the Lord. Not in politics.)
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To: SkyPilot
SkyPilot, ALL taxes are PENALTIES. They curb behavior to capture monies to govern.

If high state and local taxes are to be encouraged, they shouldn’t be taxed. If high state and local taxes are to be discouraged, they SHOULD be taxed.

Get your head out of your butt!

150 posted on 12/02/2017 6:19:40 AM PST by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: mac_truck

Sen. Bob Corker, R-Tenn., was the only lawmaker to cross
party lines, joining the Democrats in opposition.


151 posted on 12/02/2017 6:20:25 AM PST by deport
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To: TheStickman

Explained in 147 the states you cite as being subsidized already shelter the highest federal tax burden anyway. In essence the argument could be made that because they pay more than other states anyway they are subsidizing the rest of us.

But I digress, the word subsidy is a liberal word for “that is the government’s money because we best know how to use it”


152 posted on 12/02/2017 6:20:51 AM PST by Jarhead9297
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To: SkyPilot
I will the first to admit that I don't have a fully formed opinion on this legislative action. Because we are generally considered a high income family under any scenario, we will continue to fund the welfare state.

However, the reason I'm addressing you is my dismay at your use of the English language. I always enjoy your informed and well thought out posts, but an error of this magnitude, especially since you're taking such a strident and forthright position, needs to be addressed.

CAPITOL LETTERS

The words capital and capitol, though they are homophones, have no root basis relationship at all. Capitol is named after Capitoline hill, which is in turn Latin for Capitolium, temple of Jupiter Optimus Maximus.

Capital, on the other hand, is also Latin, but derived from capitālis of the head (capit-, stem of caput head, + -ālis -al1).

I typically don't play the role of grammar police, but when a poster is front and center attempting to dominate a thread and/or persuade undecideds, it's critical to avoid making obvious contextual and/or word choice errors. (No one has a problem with spelling errors or even substitution since one tends to type fast and there aren't any edit functions available.)

153 posted on 12/02/2017 6:21:21 AM PST by semantic
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To: Kaslin

Rather than have a House/Senate Compromise bill which would have to be voted on again by the House and Senate, the House should just go ahead and vote for the senate Bill and that would be the end of it. Obviously, that would be too simple.


154 posted on 12/02/2017 6:22:03 AM PST by Old Retired Army Guy
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To: SkyPilot
"Keeping more of your money"

Except the way the basic tax law is written, the tax on every dollar paid to you as wages is due the moment the dollar touches your hand.

The fact that the tax is collected, or finalized, later doesn't mean you don't owe it.

So, all deductions are post hoc social engineering, to favor certain things and punish other things.

I mostly agree with the core libertarian position on taxes, but taking away deductions does not take more of "your money", because, by the logic of "tax due on reciept of wages", it isn't really your money to begin with.

155 posted on 12/02/2017 6:22:48 AM PST by Jim Noble (Single payer is coming. Which kind do you like)
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To: SkyPilot

Just because it’s been in the code since 1913 doesn’t make it right!

Time for these high STATE tax states to reform/cut taxes in their own back yards.


156 posted on 12/02/2017 6:23:02 AM PST by Jane Long (Praise God, from whom ALL blessings flow.)
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To: SkyPilot
I agree with you regarding SALT and Federal Taxes. Instead of bitching at us, bitch at your local politicians. Many here in Illinois are bitching with their feet, aka, moving out of state.
157 posted on 12/02/2017 6:23:15 AM PST by Chgogal (Sessions recused himself for shaking an Ambassador's hand. Shameful!)
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To: deport

Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump

Biggest Tax Bill and Tax Cuts in history just passed in the
Senate. Now these great Republicans will be going for final
passage. Thank you to House and Senate Republicans for your
hard work and commitment!

7:54 AM - Dec 2, 2017


158 posted on 12/02/2017 6:23:32 AM PST by deport
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To: Jarhead9297

I know what “subsidy” comes from.

Still waiting for an answer to these 2 questions:

Why should Fedzilla subsidize the state taxes of any state?

Please please explain how this is even remotely conservative?


159 posted on 12/02/2017 6:24:03 AM PST by TheStickman (#MAGA all day every day!)
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To: Jarhead9297

Or if you prefer:

Why should Fedzilla pay the state taxes of any state?

Please please explain how this is even remotely conservative?


160 posted on 12/02/2017 6:25:11 AM PST by TheStickman (#MAGA all day every day!)
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