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BREAKING: US Senate Passes Historic Tax Reform Package, 51-49
Townhall.com ^ | December 2, 2017 | Guy Benson

Posted on 12/02/2017 1:37:52 AM PST by Kaslin

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To: SkyPilot

(Those deductions (some like SALT have been in the Tax Code since 1913 to prevent double taxation) are not gone - FOREVER!).

Good! You want to live in a state with an income tax then so be it but that burden will now fall on your shoulders. you do realize that the loss in revenue from your deduction is just added onto the burden of others. It was still double taxation with the exception that not you but we covered your state tax for you. Somebody had to come up with that loss. If anything this might improve things for those with state taxes and they’ll finally grow a pair and fight against it, or move. You can’t tax what’s not there. Sir I’m in the oil and gas business and we’ve been the pissing post of this nation since I went into it. Everybody pissed on us and everybody taxed us and nobody gives a rats ass. So don’t play poor pitiful Pearl with me.

Don’t tax him and don’t tax me, tax that man behind the tree!


161 posted on 12/02/2017 6:25:34 AM PST by Dusty Road (")
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To: Kaslin
Tax sales transaction, not income.
That would completely lever the playing field.
Pick a percentage and let them wrangle periodically about that.
Yeah, too late now. I suppose they want a medal for doing their jobs now? They should be up to their necks in violent protesters as far as I am concerned. All this sexual harassment concerns while they simply rape us in another way is mighty disgusting. The worst part to me is that WE the people let them. We allow this, that is the problem.
162 posted on 12/02/2017 6:28:17 AM PST by right way right (May we remain sober over mere men, for God really is our one and only true hope.)
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To: Jane Long
Just because it’s been in the code since 1913 doesn’t make it right!

The prohibition against Double Taxation (taxes paid twice on the same source of earned income) on individuals made the provision right.

163 posted on 12/02/2017 6:31:19 AM PST by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: TheStickman

Why should those state tax payers subsidize the rest of us in the amount they pay in federal taxes anyway? They receive deductions like the rest of us and at the State level receive more BECAUSE they already pay more than the citizens of other states at the FEDERAL LEVEL. This returns more money TO THEIR OWN STATE.

Since when did the federal money masters convince a conservative forum that more going to the fed and away from states is more preferred?


164 posted on 12/02/2017 6:31:36 AM PST by Jarhead9297
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To: Jim Noble
it isn't really your money to begin with.

Well, that's true Jim.

I will live by this provision:

"Jesus said to them, “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” And they marveled at him."

Mark 12:17

165 posted on 12/02/2017 6:33:23 AM PST by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: Dusty Road

You do realize this deduction is because those states you are trashing are already paying more than you and I at the federal level anyway right? They aren’t subsidizing crap! They and their states are returning more of their money the feds have already stolen from them and spendingnit in the states. In essence they are truly subsidizing you and I anyway at the federal level


166 posted on 12/02/2017 6:34:29 AM PST by Jarhead9297
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To: semantic
Yes, see my post #22 that had the correction.

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3609832/posts?page=22#22

167 posted on 12/02/2017 6:34:54 AM PST by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: Dusty Road

Boy aint that the truth.

I am gonna wait till the final bill and see what comes up. As it stands, this appears to benefit my wife and myself. But, people forget the bastard sob that started this crap back in the early 1900s.

The only way to put an end to all this is to eliminate the income tax and go to a Fair tax.

There is no difference between the German NAZI party and this Democrat party.


168 posted on 12/02/2017 6:35:20 AM PST by crz
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To: semantic

This contestant figured it out, lol.

169 posted on 12/02/2017 6:35:35 AM PST by deoetdoctrinae (Donate monthly and end FReepathons.)
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To: Nextrush

Tax reform is on track and Democrats/Trolls/Never Trumpsters want to derail it. Don’t believe these myths about the Senate’s bill:

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/11/30/tax-reform-is-on-track-and-democrats-want-to-derail-it-dont-believe-these-myths-about-senate-s-bill.html


170 posted on 12/02/2017 6:35:45 AM PST by Grampa Dave (The fastest way to drain the DC swamp is to simply expose it! Sunlight does aid in evaporation!)
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To: TheStickman; SkyPilot

I am tired of reading everybody b!txhin about SP (and others) concerns. EVERYBODY here is expounding some kind of payoff they like. My 401k plan will be MAGA, the blue states get their just due, etc, etc, etc. Everyone is espousing a certain kind of expected hope and end result. And, for some, it is highly personal and immediate. There is no whining, Stick. Unless you want to re-evaluate your definition for inclusion. It just depends on the payoff you seek.


171 posted on 12/02/2017 6:35:55 AM PST by Texaspeptoman (Even canabels... get feed up with people sometimes.)
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To: momincombatboots

Tax reform is on track and Democrats/Trolls/Never Trumpsters want to derail it. Don’t believe these myths about the Senate’s bill:

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/11/30/tax-reform-is-on-track-and-democrats-want-to-derail-it-dont-believe-these-myths-about-senate-s-bill.htm


172 posted on 12/02/2017 6:36:11 AM PST by Grampa Dave (The fastest way to drain the DC swamp is to simply expose it! Sunlight does aid in evaporation!)
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To: SkyPilot

Tax reform is on track and Democrats/Trolls/Never Trumpsters want to derail it. Don’t believe these myths about the Senate’s bill:

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/11/30/tax-reform-is-on-track-and-democrats-want-to-derail-it-dont-believe-these-myths-about-senate-s-bill.htm


173 posted on 12/02/2017 6:36:41 AM PST by Grampa Dave (The fastest way to drain the DC swamp is to simply expose it! Sunlight does aid in evaporation!)
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To: SamAdams76
I think all of us will be pleased with the final outcomes. Also a tax bill today does not mean there won’t be more tax bills later that will cut taxes more.

I don't think they will mess with taxes after they squeak this through, unless there is a war, severe economic downturn, etc.

But as always, I appreciate your sober thoughts and analysis.

I must go tackle leaves now!

See ya.

174 posted on 12/02/2017 6:38:03 AM PST by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: Kaslin

CNN calls it a victory for Republicans. I smell a huge trap.


175 posted on 12/02/2017 6:38:37 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: SkyPilot

“Those deductions (some like SALT have been in the Tax Code since 1913 to prevent double taxation)”

The combination of federal taxes and state & local taxes is not “double taxation”.

If you folks in your state insist in taxing yourselves higher than most states, that is an issue in your state, not a federal issue and not deserving of special consideration in federal taxes.

If your “double taxation” analogy was correct, then by whatever much your state taxes exceed the national media, federal expenses going to your state should be equally reduced, as the analogy suggests that both sets of taxes are to fund the same thing and you shouldn’t be paying twice for it. Well you’re not. You’re just agreeing to pay more in state taxes than others, period.

But back to the main point. The primary purposes of the federal government were/are intended to be separate and different. But when you progressives started linking them, in 1913, federalism and the separation of powers intended in federalism were dismissed. Why? To push more centralized federal power into Washington D.C.


176 posted on 12/02/2017 6:38:39 AM PST by Wuli
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To: Texaspeptoman

My payoff:
Feds get out of my pocket and let my taxing occur at the state level
Flat tax at 10% or no fed income tax and let the feds raise the difference in tarrifs
No deductions at any level after above occurs
Slash spending commensurate with above to a balanced budget


177 posted on 12/02/2017 6:39:32 AM PST by Jarhead9297
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To: SkyPilot

The Collins amendment allows the deductibility of the first $10,000 of {either mortgage interest, or was it SALT — the sources I’ve read differ}.


178 posted on 12/02/2017 6:39:42 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: SkyPilot

The Collins amendment allows the deductibility of the first $10,000 of {either mortgage interest, or was it SALT — the sources I’ve read differ}.


179 posted on 12/02/2017 6:39:43 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Jarhead9297
...already shelter the highest federal tax burden anyway...

What does that mean?

180 posted on 12/02/2017 6:41:15 AM PST by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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