Ambassador Friedman: Stop using word 'occupation'

Arutz Sheva ^ | 12/26/17 | Gary Willig

[SJackson]

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[publius911]

I love Friedman because he won't use the term West Bank for for Judea and Samaria but he really needs to stop calling these Israeli neighborhoods settlements .

Why, because you say so?

It IS all Israeli territory, from the Jordan to the Mediterranean. Paid for with the blood and treasure of Countless Jews.
Israel won the entire territory fair and square historically, after they became a nation and were immediately attacked by the Koranimals.

Your self-serving (?) attitude is reminiscent of historical morons claiming most of the American West should be returned to Spain or Mexico, after Spain/Mexico lost the war with the U.S.

Check out the Treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo...

"Mulligans" are only allowed in golf. And then only by mutual agreement.

The world is not run by loser nations, nor by primitive savages. Losers lose.

Pick any advanced nation on earth and how it became and remained a nation. Or study the ones which committed cultural suicide. Or observe the ones currently in the process of becoming losers. We have one of those along our northern border. Pity. They used to be friends and staunch allies.

[af_vet_1981]

Why are you objecting to the English word settlement?

[Seeing More Clearly Now]

These places have names. Samaria, Shomron, etc. If they’re settlements, then so is Tel Aviv. They’re all part of the land of Israel.

[Eleutheria5]

In 1968, Robert F. Kennedy was assassinated by an Arab gunman for his support for Israel. He was the presumptive Democrat nominee, and a die-hard McCarthyite, who belatedly came to oppose the Vietnam War.

The Democrat party of 1968 was not run by Keith Ellison or Hillary. You can’t read history backwards. Different motivations were at play then. Now they lionize RFK, who if he were alive would now be called a right-wing fanatic, and also espouse the cause of Sirhan Sirhan, his murderer, as mainstream. John F. Kennedy cut the top tax rate, and would now be called a supply-sider, and the Dems conveniently forget that fact, too.

[Jewbacca]

Concur. I’ve noticed in Israel people say “Arab occupied east Jerusalem”

Should catch in here

[af_vet_1981]

These places have names. Samaria, Shomron, etc. If they’re settlements, then so is Tel Aviv. They’re all part of the land of Israel.

Funny you should mention that. Tel Aviv was originally a settlement. Tel Aviv is the first all-Jewish city in modern times. Originally named Ahuzat Bayit, it was founded by 60 families in 1909 as a Jewish neighborhood near Jaffa. In 1910, the name was changed to Tel Aviv, meaning "hill of spring." The name was taken from Ezekiel 3:15, "...and I came to the exiles at Tel Aviv," and from a reference in Herzl's novel Altneuland, in which he foresaw the future Jewish state as a socialist utopia.

The Yishuv (Hebrew: ישוב‎, literally "settlement") or Ha-Yishuv (the Yishuv, Hebrew: הישוב‎) or Ha-Yishuv Ha-Ivri (the Hebrew Yishuv, Hebrew: הישוב העברי‎) is the term referring to the body of Jewish residents in the land of Israel (corresponding to Ottoman Syria until 1917, OETA South 1917–1920 and later Mandatory Palestine 1920–1948) prior to the establishment of the State of Israel. The term came into use in the 1880s, when there were about 25,000 Jews living across Land of Israel, then comprising the southern part of Ottoman Syria, and continued to be used until 1948, by which time there were about 700,000 Jews there. The term is used in Hebrew even nowadays to denote the Pre-State Jewish residents in the Land of Israel.[1]

Whole Lotta Settlin' Going On ...

List of North American settlements by year of foundation

[John O]

Seems to me that “Mandatory Palestine” was just some name made up in 1920 for an area that had always been called the land of Israel.

The so called “Palestinian arabs” were just Jordanian Arabs (or perhaps Syrian Arabs) as “Palestine” was never a real country

[Defiant]

There was a war. Israel won. Is North America under occupation? (These people would say yes). Mexico? Scotland? Anatolia? North Africa? Hungary? Macedonia? Kosovo? Tibet? Australia? Kamchatka? All of South America?

All are lands taken by force and occupied by the winners. Why is Israel’s small win the only one that gets questioned?

[Popman]

After Rome destroyed Israel in 70 AD...

The Romans renamed it Palestine...

[af_vet_1981]

Seems to me that “Mandatory Palestine” was just some name made up in 1920 for an area that had always been called the land of Israel.

Names tend to have a history. "Land of Israel" is a traditional Biblical name.

The British Mandate for Palestine, also known as the Mandate for Palestine or the Palestine Mandate, was a League of Nations mandate for the territory that had formerly constituted the Ottoman Empire sanjaks of Nablus, Acre, the Southern part of the Vilayet of Syria,[1] the Southern portion of the Beirut Vilayet, and the Mutasarrifate of Jerusalem, prior to the Armistice of Mudros.

In 135 CE, the Greek "Syria Palaestina" [b] was used in naming a new Roman province from the merger of Roman Syria and Roman Judaea after the Roman authorities crushed the Bar Kokhba Revolt. There is only circumstantial evidence linking Hadrian with the name change and the precise date is not certain.[23] The common view that the name change was intended "sever the connection of the Jews to their historical homeland" is disputed.[24]

[gandalftb]

Does anyone think that Palestinian Arabs should have the right to vote for the government that controls them?

Like we Americans do?

[Seeing More Clearly Now]

Your clear, fact-filled summary of the Yishuv, with the addition of the systematic list of America’s settlements and their year of settlement is the best ever summary statement of the issues! A keeper, to be quoted with full attribution, af-vet_1981!

[Mr. Mojo]

but he really needs to stop calling these Israeli neighborhoods settlements .

+1. The term "settlements" is so ingrained that even many conservatives use it.

[Lera]

I cringe every time I hear or see someone call Israeli neighborhoods in Judea and Samaria settlements . It’s as bad as bad as calling Judea and Samaria the West Bank . You can’t let the enemy set the narrative .