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Trump mulling 'red flag' orders to remove guns from those found to be a risk: report
The Hill ^ | 02/24/18 | Max Greenwood

Posted on 02/24/2018 6:11:59 PM PST by Simon Green

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To: Simon Green

I would be for it IF it gave the defendant due process and the right for his/her side to be told to the judge, the order was temporary and had an expiration date after which the defendant’s property would be returned WITHOUT a court order, AND no renewal without due process, i.e. no rubber stamps without the defendant’s pr their counsel presence.


41 posted on 02/24/2018 6:56:28 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Conservatives love America for what it is. Liberals hate America for the same reason.)
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To: Simon Green

Not without a judge or jury. Will be an excuse to disarm all. So screw that.


42 posted on 02/24/2018 6:57:54 PM PST by WKUHilltopper (WKU 2016 Boca Raton Bowl Champions)
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To: ripnbang

I’m opposed to a Red Flag law without due process safeguards.

Taking away someone’s RKBA is a very serious matter and should be done only when there is no other alternative.

The person affected should retain the right to rebut an extreme risk charge and to show he isn’t a danger to himself and to others.

I don’t know whether it would have stopped Nikolas Cruz or someone like him. But in principle the idea certain people need to kept away from firearms is a good one.

As always, the devil is in the details.


43 posted on 02/24/2018 6:58:04 PM PST by goldstategop ((In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Forever))
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To: Uncle Miltie

“Will be used by leftists to disarm ... YOU!”

All they need is the American Psychiatric Association to declare conservatism a mental disorder.


44 posted on 02/24/2018 6:58:12 PM PST by Rebelbase ( Hillary, DNC, DOJ and FBI colluded with a British National to influence the 2016 Pres. election)
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To: Celerity

What should be the red flag is a Democrat voter registration.
= = =

Yep, should be a Blue flag.


45 posted on 02/24/2018 6:59:36 PM PST by Scrambler Bob (You know that I am full of /S)
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To: CMailBag

“They are going to run head on into HIPPA laws real soon.”

Saw HIPPA grow larger in ‘83 when HIV became front an center. (Privacy rights)

For some reason people with mental illness really got swept up in this and getting them help became very difficult.

Do you remember homeless in 60’s or 70’s? I don’t, just an occasional hobo.


46 posted on 02/24/2018 7:04:46 PM PST by lizma2
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To: Simon Green

Apparently, they’re lying, at least about the State of California. Does California’s law really require a judge’s order? And is it really temporary, that is, with no lawyer’s fee required to resume firearms possession?

If they’re going to do it without corruption, clean drug tests over a short period of time should be all that is required to resume legal firearms possession. Several other classes of people are already having their Second Amendment rights permanently violated arbitrarily by individuals due to previous legislative errors.

You should all read the following and consider supporting any new laws very carefully. Otherwise, your rights may be violated. It’s very brief, easy to read and not what would be expected from the title.

Is The Second Amendment Worth Dying For?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3633354/posts


47 posted on 02/24/2018 7:05:22 PM PST by familyop (President Trump said that we're all important, so let's do something!)
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Sheesh - some Feepers lack reading comprehension.

The Trump Administration is looking at a Red Flag law in INDIANA as a model for other states.

Don’t like the one in CA.


48 posted on 02/24/2018 7:08:33 PM PST by goldstategop ((In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Forever))
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To: backwoods-engineer

Half the Nation voted Trump and
They will be declared Insane?

Okay.


49 posted on 02/24/2018 7:11:24 PM PST by Big Red Badger (UNSCANABLE in an IDIOCRACY!)
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To: goldstategop

Hoosier by birth. Still love the state and their people.

I heard on Patriot radio today that only a family member can file the complaint. Is that true?

I guess it would be a stop gap that prevents the Feds from deciding. We’ve seen who the IRS attacked.


50 posted on 02/24/2018 7:19:44 PM PST by lizma2
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To: Simon Green

Another case of “enforce the law”.


51 posted on 02/24/2018 7:25:31 PM PST by ctdonath2 (It's not "white privilege", it's "Puritan work ethic". Behavior begets consequences.)
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To: goldstategop

You don’t get it. It’s not either-or, it’s both with Demorats. They will use any and every tool to disarm America. Why give them the tools to disarm us?


52 posted on 02/24/2018 7:25:32 PM PST by backwoods-engineer (Enjoy the decline of the American empire.)
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To: ripnbang

Huh?


53 posted on 02/24/2018 7:25:39 PM PST by lizma2
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To: Big Red Badger

Already declared so by the media. Also, not every Trump supporter owns a gun.


54 posted on 02/24/2018 7:26:38 PM PST by backwoods-engineer (Enjoy the decline of the American empire.)
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To: goldstategop

I don’t care what state is the model. It’s unconstitutional. But you people will give the Demonrats everything


55 posted on 02/24/2018 7:27:48 PM PST by backwoods-engineer (Enjoy the decline of the American empire.)
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To: Simon Green

“Words” can be slightly changed to suit the writer’s purpose/goal. Until I hear and see the actual ‘Trump proposal’ .. this does not mean much at all. I’ve seen too many paraphrasing on too many serious subjects, to believe this article.

A simple ‘but’ used instead of ‘and’, can change what is being said in any given situation.

Trump won’t sell us out .. not now and not in the foreseeable future.


56 posted on 02/24/2018 7:32:11 PM PST by frnewsjunkie
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To: Rebelbase

“American Psychiatric Association to declare conservatism a mental disorder.”

The APA declare “Transgender” as a mental disorder. That’s been ignored. Conservatism would not be ignored.


57 posted on 02/24/2018 7:35:43 PM PST by lizma2
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To: fortes fortuna juvat
What would be the legal basis for determining a gun owner’s propensity to violence?

Suicidal tendencies, or suicide being a potential side effect of their medications.

58 posted on 02/24/2018 7:36:30 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (The Obama is about to hit the fan.)
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To: Simon Green

I thought all states had in place the means to have someone declared mentally incompetent in a court of law. Guess I might be wrong about that.


59 posted on 02/24/2018 7:37:44 PM PST by TigersEye (13 Russian Facebook trolls ... and a Siberian partridge in a Russian Olive tree.)
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To: lizma2

Transgender is a mental disorder, as are most of the perversions. Conservatism is not.


60 posted on 02/24/2018 7:38:01 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (The Obama is about to hit the fan.)
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