Posted on 03/16/2018 5:25:16 AM PDT by Eleutheria5
These Divisions fought exclusively against their historic oppressors the Russians. The majority of survivors were executed by the Russians after the war when they re-occupied Latvia.
And that is why their sacrifice should be honored.
“So you are considering an unarmed and unrecognized terrorist organization the same as the British Army? That’s laughable.”
No, I consider the Irgun better than the British Armed Forces.
Look to India, the big massacre at Amritzar. Unarmed Hindus holding a rally shot down in a public square.
Look to the sinking of the Struma. 800 refugees towed out to sea in a leaky boat and torpedoed. Only one survivor. Look to the streets of Mandatory Palestine. Boys caught putting up Irgun posters sometimes summarily shot in the head and killed. Or beaten in prison and left without medical care until his wounds became infected and dying of sepsis. These are actual occurrences.
It is laughable to compare the forces deployed in the service of the British Empire at that time to the Irgun, which took great pains to observe the rules of law despite the depraved behavior of its adversary.
Why do you legitimize the one? Just because they represented an actual government? The more’s the disgrace. It’s one thing to blockade a coast and keep refugees from disembarking. It’s another to use “lend-lease” ships meant to fight the huns to do this thankless task.
What earned the Irgun this appelation “terrorist”? They took precautions to spare civilians, as previously mentioned. They had a chain of command and discipline. But they did not wear uniforms and hid among the general population. So technically, according to the Geneva Convention, they were “terrorists”. But even then, when Yaakov Meridor was captured in hiding, he surrendered without a fight so as to avoid the danger of harm to his wife and children.
What the Irgun was was a rebel force against the British. You live in the United States, a country founded by rebellion against the British. And you live in the South, a region that once fought a bloody war to secede from that country and form its own. No stigma against fighting rebellions, per se. It’s how you behave when waging war that is the question. And the Irgun, under the extreme circumstances that they had to operate, behaved a whole lot better than the American and the Southern rebels did, and infinitely better than these Pali rebels, calling the motorist who ran down and killed a newborn infant a “hero”.
Nice try. You are attempting to compare the Colonials, who wore uniforms and issued a Declaration of Independence and fought the British Army within the standards of warfare for that time period and the Confederate States Army who also were uniformed and made their hostile intentions known before taking action and also fought according to the standards of war for that time, to an band of non uniformed individuals that attacked both military and civilian targets. Whether or not you agree with their cause, they were in fact, terrorist. You stated yourself that they would be considered terrorists under the Geneva Convention.
Imagine having to choose between Nazis and Commies. The choice would boil down to the most basic things. Race and language. Whichever evil empire is closest to your race and who speaks your language.
One other question. Do you believe that Israel spying on the US is legitimate?
While related to the Germans in terms of language were the Austrians, Dutch, norwegians, Danes and Swedes and English -- and the Dutch, norwegians, Danes and English fought against the Germans.
Racially all were Indo-Europeans, so Sh!tler's Aryan idea was insane -- there are more blue-eyed blondes among Poles than among Germans
Everybody spies on everybody. The US spies on Israel and vice versa, and the same with England, Russia, Australia and South Korea. Legitimate? Spying is inherently illegitimate, like cheating at cards or on one’s spouse. But it’s a fact of life. Most of the bastardly things that the British Empire did to which I alluded were done on Churchill’s watch. Churchill was a Judaeophile and a man of great stature whom I admire. But he was also cold-bloodedly Macheavellian when he believed he had to be. And the climate for altruism and idealism has not much improved since Churchill’s day. So heads of state are still bastards one and all, when the expedients of the moment call for it. The truly finest hours belong to the ordinary people who refuse to be victimized and refuse to use their pain as justification for heinous behavior. The Irgun was full of such people, and the more I study its history, the better those individuals look.
I did see a video on youtube of what happened to Germany after the Russian's took over from the Nazis. It seems that Russian soldiers were given a blank check to rape all the females from 15 years old and up as a reparation for the war.
Young liberal women have no clue what life is like for females in a war torn or lawless land for.
Are you an American or an Israeli?
15 years old? They started with 8 and 9 year olds.
I suspected that!
That must have been sanitized out of the video I saw.
American born and raised, now an Israeli since making Alia in 2009. But I still have great affection for America and Americans, and know the American culture intimately. In spite of this, I interfered in the American election in 2016 and voted for Trump. I will vote again this year. The Democrats are too big a menace to be suffered, and Trump is overall showing signs of greatness. Besides, he speaks my style of English.
Well that makes sense then. Your loyalty is to Israel. Your support of the Irgun, in that context, is appropriate.
What? You think the Irgun is a going enterprise right now? I prefer the Irgun as an amature history hobbyist. Menachem Begin’s and Yaakov Meridor’s children are dyed-in-the-wool leftists who are nominally members of the Likud Party, which I will never again vote for, so long as Bibi the outpost destroyer remains its head. His father was in the Irgun, and his sainted brother Yoni has streets named after him. But history is not the present, only a sometimes guide to it.
Lol. No, I know you referring to the past. I do support Israel.
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