Posted on 04/03/2018 3:32:10 PM PDT by Mariner
I don’t believe they intended for 4 people to have all the power.
The question is “which funding”.....would be nice if they managed to undo the crap he would have lined through if he had line-item-veto powers....
Absolutely the correct approach. Send individual requests for rescission on particular line items. This is essentially a line item veto request that the Senate and House can ignore at their own peril.
Make a daily request. Tweet away at each boondoggle and they have a 45 day clock ticking to take a vote. Trump will be the hero for forcing them to consider each piece individually. Key is to take lots of little bites.
“GOP leaders “?
Ohhh, you mean Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan?
Leaders? horse crap you mean.
And you’re from a red or at least purple state? ‘Cause otherwise, not only are you NOT part of his core, but Trump has cut your state loose. Move now, or rot in peace.
>>Make a daily request. Tweet away at each boondoggle and they have a 45 day clock ticking to take a vote. Trump will be the hero for forcing them to consider each piece individually. Key is to take lots of little bites.<<
He could even put up a challenge to the public: Send me your suggestion for the most ridiculous spending item over $50 million in this budget and I’ll pick the winners, presenting them day by day in descending order of ridiculousness.
I’ll bet the winner would be a real doozy, one that even many Democrats would vote to rescind.
Actually, they are not ‘myth’. The Pentagon has already admitted of they ‘lost’ tens of millions. Same for the Army. Trust me, that is only for starters. And that is only the military.
But that is not the real point anyway. Point being let’s stop spreading the greenback around the world indiscriminately (like on senseless and endless wars/occupations), bleeding ourselves dry supporting the illegals, and funding things Uncle Sugar has no business funding (like the murder of innocent humans).
THEN, we can look at the other things.
Frankly, if we just spent money (coined by the Treasury - not Federal Reserve Notes) on legitimate, Constitutionally authorized endeavors, we would not be having this (electronic) conversation in the first place!
“And he’ll not let one single rescission hit the floor of the Senate for a vote.... Cloture will never come.”
2 USC 688 governs the procedures for the House and Senate. After 25 days can be made by one favoring the rescission bill, and only 20% of the members of the house involved (House or Senate) is needed for a motion to discharge from the assigned committee. Only 1 hour of debate in the house involved, without any motions to amend nor reconsider. After that at any time a motion can be made to consider the rescission bill in that house. Motion practice is strictly limited, appeals of procedural decisions to be decided without debate. Probably one avenue for the chair to control things, otherwise appears if only 20% want it considered, it will move to a vote. There is enough pressure on the House and Senate that rescission proposals should move - even though unsuccessful in the past, this is a different President with the power of the Tweet and who’s not afraid to use it.
Once discharged from committee, Cloture is not applicable. Senate debate is limited to 10 hours by 688(d)(1). House debate is limited to 2 hours (688(c)(2)).
Bottom line - as I read the statute, 20% of each house should get these requests to a vote. Time to force their hand and either approve of boondoggle spending, or at least through rescission eliminate the most egregious and reduce the debatable (e.g., cut Planned Parenthood funding by a substantial amount that could pass - say cut 30-50%).
Each Department should scrub its authorized funding for proposals to rescind. Problem of trying to conglomerate items too much is there is only one bite at this apple - if funds are made available based on rescission not being passed, no further proposal regarding rescinding those particular funds can be made again (i.e., if 50% cut fails, can’t go back and try for 30% cut)
“He could even put up a challenge to the public: Send me your suggestion for the most ridiculous spending item...”
Good idea - may be even better to challenge the Departments employees to search their authorizations for items that can be eliminated or reduced and why the “the full objectives or scope of programs for which it is provided or that such budget authority should be rescinded for fiscal policy or other reasons” (2 USC 683).
When I was an engineer on a major weapons program in the ‘80’s I came up with two “Value Engineering Change” proposals and got them approved, saving close to $10M which the USAF and my employer split. Of course I didn’t see a dime of the $5M pure profit my employer realized, I was just getting problems fixed as part of my job. Incentivize the process - x amount (scale, probably couldn’t do percentage) if identified and actually passed.
USA budget $3.34 trillion ... Army loses 10s of millions.
Trillion = 1,000,0000,000,000 thats 10 to the 12th
Million = 1,000,000 that’s 10 to the 6th
Ok doing this in my head!
Let’s assume all four services lose 100 million dollars each, the intelligence community another 100 million, the rest of the government another 500 million, that’s a total of $1 billion. 1 billion that’s 10 to the 9th. So then with the current budget at $3.34 trillion. Then 1/3.34= .3 (rounding up) times .001 that’s .3 times 10 to the -3 = .0004 So if you could solve the above “assumed waste”, you have “saved” at best .04%. I say we still go off a cliff.
Looks like myth to me!
Please note its actually worse!
Total unfunded social security obligations = $9.6 trillion
I don’t think SS is actually included in the budget calculations. (I guess Uncle Sucker thinks that helps accounting-wise!)
http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/44172-Baseline2.pdf
Total US debt $16.4 trillion, 76% of GDP - so far we can service that ! (Note it was 109% of GDP 1945 - 1946)
You still missed the point!
By a mile actually.
You continue to focus on the wrong issues, the wrong problems, and the wrong solutions.
Your analysis is woefully inadequate, by the way. Didn’t you originally say you ‘ran the numbers’ or some such thing? Now you are ‘assuming’ this and ‘assuming’ that in your calculations.
Nice try but, no sale.
I just ran the numbers (estimated) for you and I used your assumptions. If US the Army has 10 of millions of waste (You provided that factoid!) ,then why not the other services plus others as a possible upper limit. The US Budget estimate came from various sources, Wiki, CBO, etc.
It doesn’t make any difference how “good you are or how right your culture is” if you spend everything you make you’re doomed! Think Aesop’s fable “Grasshopper and the Ant” neither of them are Christian yet the point it makes is still true.
Two things, then it’s time to put this to rest.
First, please reread earlier posts - I’ve already addressed and/or clarified some of the things you have called into question.
Second, a ‘right’ culture, as you put it, would not have strayed so far away from the letter and spirit of our Constitution, and therefore would not have allowed our elected representatives to become this irresponsible.
In my view the single most damning thing to this country is the anti-American, Godless, communist indoctrination in our public schools and universities. As I said - THIS is why we have so many useful idiots out there! A ‘right’ culture would not have allowed this cancer to take hold and spread.
I could go on, but hopefully you catch my drift, namely, that the out of control spending problems we’re discussing reflects a cultural, or spiritual, problem. The fiscal atrocities are only a symptom.
The Constitution, a limiting document by design, is already in place to prevent the kind of out of control government we see today. As John Adams said: “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”
Is this not why our ‘public servants’ become instead ‘little tyrants’, bent on coercion and drunk on power?
That is the way I see it. Others differ I know. Some even deny we have a fiscal problem at all, believe it or not.
Better get back to work - the boss is watching!
I am the Boss!
And whatever!
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