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America and the EMP threat
americanthinker.com ^ | 5/3/2018 | Daniel Ashman

Posted on 05/03/2018 8:35:00 AM PDT by rktman

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To: 2CAVTrooper

Your logic is amazing.


101 posted on 05/03/2018 12:49:24 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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To: robroys woman

Right on!


102 posted on 05/03/2018 12:50:18 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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To: PA Engineer

We’re going to have our 200+ house rewired this summer (it has all knob and tube wiring running through it). Is there something the electricians should do to prevent such a situation? I’m a “better safe than sorry” gal!

sneaks


103 posted on 05/03/2018 12:56:29 PM PDT by sneakers (It's not the democraTIC party! It's the demoCRAT party!)
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To: Ancesthntr

The “Carrington Event”... In 1859 the wires were exposed copper (no insulating sheath), and they more than likely didn’t have anything grounded.

The power grid back in 1962 is not the same as today. Today there are multiple layers of redundancy in switches, surge protection, enhanced grounding, capacitors, solid state controls, etc, etc.


104 posted on 05/03/2018 12:57:03 PM PDT by 2CAVTrooper (Democrats... BETRAYING America since 1828.)
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To: Justa
Carrington event was a CME producing charged particles which is a vastly different form of EMP than say a gamma ray burst. Unfortunately, both are types of EMP and public conflation of the two is rampant.

Yes, a CME is a low frequency event and as you point out it might fry cheap surge protectors (or might not). It will probably fry transformers and take down parts of the grid.

EMP can do that too. But EMP is more likely to be high frequency, and with enough energy it will fry small electronics. Designing the weapon to create enough energy is nontrivial.

105 posted on 05/03/2018 12:57:42 PM PDT by palmer (...if we do not have strong families and strong values, then we will be weak and we will not survive)
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To: robroys woman

Yes, we are, well, except those alive Christians the day of the Rapture. But if local authorities linked up with federal monies, the necessary recovery equipment could be stockpiled. Why wouldn’t the most advanced civilization of planet Earth make such plans knowing the event is inevitable? Well, it has to do with the leftist methodology, to bring down to a common level so there are no signs of excellence. They, the leftists, liberals and dead soul democrats are the enemy of America and civilization advancing.


106 posted on 05/03/2018 1:01:51 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: rktman

WI National guard is drilling for “Dark Skies” in WI next week.

http://dma.wi.gov/DMA/news/2018news/18033

I’ve seen that they plan to go doo to door with “welfare checks” in Omro, WI.

I’m from the government, and I’m here to help. Could you please show me where your food and guns are located?


107 posted on 05/03/2018 1:02:15 PM PDT by grumpygresh (Abolish administrative law. It's regressive, medieval and unconstitutional!)
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To: Ancesthntr

Your comment is too long and conflates high and low frequencies. There are very few natural high frequency sources, all of which would come from outside the solar system. The likelihood is close to zero. The low frequency events, whether manmade or solar, are only going to affect long lines and mainly transformers. The manmade high frequency sources are difficult to create, and unlikely to be done effectively.


108 posted on 05/03/2018 1:02:47 PM PDT by palmer (...if we do not have strong families and strong values, then we will be weak and we will not survive)
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To: higgmeister
So, in addition to the house wiring, other factors could exacerbate the situation you described. Multiple ground taps on different points on cold water pipes... etc.

Agreed.
109 posted on 05/03/2018 1:02:53 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: CottonBall
CottonBall :" Thank you for the ping. 90%, that’s amazing.
It’ll be tough going for those that are left."

90 %, rite
That 90% includes the folks who just gave up, because they were unprepared to live without electricity, internet,
refrigeration, TV, and all the other electronic amenities that we are currently used to having.
That is why it is so important to practice your preps, and learn to do without, or improvise, adapt, and overcome.
I know people who put up 'wheat berries', but don't know how to grow replacements, winnow, grind, or use them.
How many of us know how to garden to produce our own food supply, know of animal husbandry, meat preservation and butchery,
beekeeping, farming, mechanic repairs, repair our own houses, plumbing, wiring, etc., etc. ??
Many survival medications need to be refrigerated; do you know what is a 'spring house' ?.. or how to find a spring without a 'water witch' ?
Even my son, who has laying hens (but no rooster) appreciates the eggs,
but doesn't know how to make lay mash without the Ag supply store, or know of chicken nutrition or photosensitivity.

The most basic survival is : how to locate and purify fresh water ?
Without water, the average person exists for 3 days; and the average person needs a gallon per day.
No electricity equals no pumps for fuel or water; your water is only as clean as what is upstream.
If upstream is urban ... Good bye !

110 posted on 05/03/2018 1:07:25 PM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt
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To: Ancesthntr; Justa
What those worried about EMP are concerned about is the E1 pulse, which takes place in literally nanoseconds, far faster than surge protectors can react.

You have misunderstood Justa's comment. You are talking about high frequency pulses which everyone agrees are not going to be stopped by surge protectors. Justa was talking about the low frequency EMP and CME events that are much more likely. First, because low frequency EMP is much easier than high frequency. Second, because low frequencies are the only plausible natural event. Justa is exactly correct that surge protectors are more than adequate for those most likely events.

111 posted on 05/03/2018 1:07:38 PM PDT by palmer (...if we do not have strong families and strong values, then we will be weak and we will not survive)
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To: 2CAVTrooper
Dude there are tens of thousands if not millions of “EMP” strikes every day.... It’s called lightning.

That is equivalent to E2. That is not E1 and E3.
112 posted on 05/03/2018 1:08:40 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

That is a lot for one person to learn. Not to mention self-defense. Self-defense would be a lot easier in a community as well. But then you have to wonder if you can truly trust all of your community members.

It’s enough to make you paranoid. And crazy. I have to just rely on God and faith, as well as prepping :-)


113 posted on 05/03/2018 1:13:59 PM PDT by CottonBall (Thank you , Julian!)
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To: PA Engineer
I would like to add something about modern house wiring. I have stated this before. There is a large antenna in the walls of most modern homes. A Carrington like event will ruin many peoples day.

That's completely incorrect. The induced voltage would be about 0.2 Volts (20 Volts per km).

114 posted on 05/03/2018 1:14:00 PM PDT by palmer (...if we do not have strong families and strong values, then we will be weak and we will not survive)
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To: sneakers
We're going to have our 200+ house rewired this summer (it has all knob and tube wiring running through it). Is there something the electricians should do to prevent such a situation?

You need do nothing. The Carrington event generated about 20 volts per km of wiring. That means in your house it would generate about 0.2 V which is less fluctuation than the grid produces normally. So there is nothing to do for natural solar flares, or even most manmade nuclear EMP.

115 posted on 05/03/2018 1:19:32 PM PDT by palmer (...if we do not have strong families and strong values, then we will be weak and we will not survive)
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To: Paulie

I’m aware of how utilities and the fees that they charge for service are regulated.

Which is to say, that until and unless they are granted a rate increase, or even a temporary surcharge, to cover the cost of preparing for an EMP, they aren’t going to spend the money - there’s nothing in it for them from the standpoint of cold, hard numbers. This is most definitely a government problem - they need to require spare transformers and certain minimum levels of protection against ALL kinds of surges, natural and man-made.


116 posted on 05/03/2018 1:23:15 PM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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To: PA Engineer

Thanks for the information - its best to be prepared for an electrical fire starting within one’s walls, than to be completely surprised by it.


117 posted on 05/03/2018 1:25:38 PM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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To: CottonBall; greeneyes
CottonBall :" ..But then you have to wonder if you can truly trust all of your community members."

" There's a time to hold'em, and time to fold'em".. (Kenny Loggins, I think).
Never lay out your entire hand until it's time to collect, and it's all over !!
One of the best plans is to have a sense of community of like minded souls, with various skills, a common spiritual/ or religious belief;
but never lay out your full hand.
Remember that Judas was an apostle,.. but still, he betrayed the target with a loving kiss.
Remeber Ronald Reagan quote : " TRUST,...but verify !"

118 posted on 05/03/2018 1:26:08 PM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt
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To: PA Engineer
20 volts per km from the 1921 event: http://pages.erau.edu/~reynodb2/ep410/OdenwaldGreen_Superstorm.pdf The Carrington event was higher but not that much higher. A household wiring length or even a neighborhood grid would still only develop trivial voltages.
119 posted on 05/03/2018 1:32:55 PM PDT by palmer (...if we do not have strong families and strong values, then we will be weak and we will not survive)
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To: rktman

A more ominous threat is a minor player in terrorism sneaking a nuclear device into Yellowstone and detonating it where the effect awakens that super volcano. A shipping container is large enough to accomplish the delivery and we have tens of thousands of semis criss crossing the nation regularly.


120 posted on 05/03/2018 1:36:44 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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