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How a 4-Hour Battle Between Russian Mercenaries and U.S. Commandos Unfolded in Syria
NY Times ^ | May 24, 2018 | Thomas Gibbons-Neff

Posted on 06/01/2018 8:33:06 AM PDT by Zhang Fei

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To: Zhang Fei

To begin with... “Comandos” is a British term.. NYSlimes need to get that straight..

Next, who is trying to start the “Cold War”! again?

And, (obviously, journoLISTS) fail to understand that, of COURSE, no lights (half lights) is very normal for anyone that is under the threat of taking fire/bombarment.. just like when we stop to check coordinates, the lights are red, so that we a difficult to spot :p


21 posted on 06/01/2018 9:20:28 AM PDT by Bikkuri
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To: bkopto

[So remind me: what are the strategic interests of the US in Syria, and why are we wasting taxpayer money and US lives there?]


Helping our friends and hurting our enemies. The Kurds have been fairly nice to us. To the extent that Iranians are spending money on propping Assad up ($13b, by Russian estimates), denying Assad access to Syria’s oil resources would keep the Iranian subsidy up and reduce the amount the Iranians can devote to their nuclear program. The Turks have been extremely hostile to us. Trading Turkey for a Kurdistan carved out of Syria might make sense from the standpoint of alliance politics.

From a big picture perspective, it is always in the American interest to see foreign countries fragmented, which is why American support for the EU *never* made sense. We provide a security umbrella for the oil-producing Gulf kingdoms for the same reason we balked when Germany attempted to conquer Europe in WWI and WWII. You never want any power to form a single large empire that could eventually turn its attention to you. Without Uncle Sam in the Gulf region, I expect the entire region would rapidly become provinces in either an Egyptian, Iranian or Iraqi empire. Forestalling that possibility was why Bush pushed Iraq out of Kuwait, not any kind of love for the Kuwaiti royals.


22 posted on 06/01/2018 9:27:18 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Journalism is about covering important stories. With a pillow, until they stop moving.)
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p07
23 posted on 06/01/2018 9:29:01 AM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: Zhang Fei

If Hillary was CIC, we would have had another Benghazi, but on a much larger scale. She would never have authorized the kind of response Mad Dog did. Then she would have lied about it and blamed everyone else.


24 posted on 06/01/2018 9:29:17 AM PDT by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Progressives spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: Zhang Fei
"When that failed, American troops fired warning shots at a group of vehicles and a howitzer."

Warning shots??? I think I see a problem.

25 posted on 06/01/2018 9:33:11 AM PDT by null and void (Urban "food deserts," are caused by "climate change" in urban customers' attitudes (H/T niteowl77))
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To: volunbeer

There was no miscommunication. We contacted the Russian government, and the Russians said it wasn’t them; So it was game on. The Russians had no reason to complain; and they didn’t.


26 posted on 06/01/2018 9:56:04 AM PDT by WASCWatch
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To: thoughtomator
"No mention of the problem it’s not lawful for US troops to be in Syria."

Our media can not mention that because of the inconvenient fact that it was the progressive triumvirate of Obama, Hitlery and Kerry that put those troops there with addlepatted McCain cheering from the side.

27 posted on 06/01/2018 10:21:35 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: Zhang Fei

The American people specifically and overwhelmingly said “NO!” to this war when Obama and Kerry and McCain tried to sell it to us with fraud.

Therefore, none of your listed concerns is US business. That US troops are where they should not be is what our business actually is.

Something a loyal American should have no problem understanding in full.


28 posted on 06/01/2018 10:32:01 AM PDT by thoughtomator (Number of arrested coup conspirators to date: 0)
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To: Zhang Fei

More collusion with Trump. /s


29 posted on 06/01/2018 10:34:29 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: thoughtomator
p07

The Iranians are bringing back the days of the Sassanids with their control of the Middle East in Iraq, Syria and Yemen.

Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States are understandably freaked.

If Iran gets control of all that oil, enjoy your donkey and living in a yurt with no air conditioning.

30 posted on 06/01/2018 10:39:45 AM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: Zhang Fei

Who at the NYT authorized an article highlighting an American success?

Glad the US kicked some rear end, and will this now shut up the Russian collusion people?


31 posted on 06/01/2018 10:41:52 AM PDT by Sam Gamgee
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To: null and void
I remember back in Nam, 1966, when you set up an ambush position, if some clowns entered the kill area you had to challenge them.

I think that was ignored in most cases, but still it was SOP.

32 posted on 06/01/2018 10:44:40 AM PDT by Little Bill (VN 65 - 68)
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To: thoughtomator

[Therefore, none of your listed concerns is US business. That US troops are where they should not be is what our business actually is.]


I don’t know where you’re getting this idea that the American people specifically and overwhelmingly said no to this war. And helping our friends and hurting our enemies is the very definition of advancing American interests.


33 posted on 06/01/2018 10:50:20 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Journalism is about covering important stories. With a pillow, until they stop moving.)
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To: Zhang Fei
The outcome of the battle, and much of its mechanics, suggest that the Russian mercenaries and their Syrian allies were in the wrong part of the world to try a simple, massed assault on an American military position.

Well, yeah, I'll go out on a limb here and suggest that a score of 2-300 to zip might indicate that a little tactical refinement is necessary.

34 posted on 06/01/2018 10:54:55 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: thoughtomator

I think a big part of the shift in the polls shown below has to do with GOP support for intervention. I was against Obama intervening because I thought he would do half-assed job with ROE’s that would get GI’s killed. Trump, on the other hand, is all about force protection. His stance appears to be - if enemy civilians are being used as human shields by their loved ones and they get killed, they get killed. Bottom line is that our guys are worth more than their guys, military or civilian, because they’re *our* guys. Which is fine with me.


http://www.businessinsider.com/us-military-involvement-in-syria-2017-4
[A Morning Consult/Politico poll released Wednesday found that 57% of Americans supported airstrikes in Syria, 58% supported establishing a no-fly zone over parts of Syria including strikes against Syria’s air-defense systems, and 63% of Americans thought the US should do more to end the Syrian conflict. Even more, 66% of respondents said they supported the Trump administration’s strike last week specifically.

This mirrored results of another recent poll from CBS News in which 57% of Americans said they approved of the US strike. A Pew Research Center survey from this week showed a similar level of support, with 58% of Americans approving of the strike.

The recent polls hint at changing American thought on involvement in Syria.

In 2013, after another brutal chemical weapons attack linked to the Assad regime, only 36% of Americans said they favored the US taking military action to reduce the Syrian government’s ability to use chemical weapons. Gallup noted that it was “among the lowest” figure of support “for any intervention Gallup has asked about in the last 20 years.”

In another Gallup poll from earlier that year, before the chemical attack, 68% of Americans said they opposed military action to end the Syrian conflict even if “all economic and diplomatic efforts fail.”]


35 posted on 06/01/2018 10:57:53 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Journalism is about covering important stories. With a pillow, until they stop moving.)
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To: Little Bill

Challenge?


36 posted on 06/01/2018 11:02:38 AM PDT by null and void (Have the courage to shine the light of reason in a dark world)
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To: thoughtomator

They were defending the Conoco plant.


37 posted on 06/01/2018 11:18:04 AM PDT by Chgogal (Sessions recused himself for shaking an Ambassador's hand. Shameful!)
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To: Zhang Fei

Outcome considerably different than Benghazi...


38 posted on 06/01/2018 11:21:14 AM PDT by donozark (Restraining orders are just another way of saying I love you.)
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[Outcome considerably different than Benghazi...]


That’s because unlike Obama, Trump wasn’t doing his rendition of Hamlet when quick life-and-death decisions needed to be made.


39 posted on 06/01/2018 11:28:20 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Journalism is about covering important stories. With a pillow, until they stop moving.)
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To: Zhang Fei

When was this event?


40 posted on 06/01/2018 11:56:40 AM PDT by tired&retired (Blessings)
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