Posted on 06/03/2018 9:59:25 AM PDT by antidemoncrat
Do you think if he was a Muslim and asked for a Quran it would have been denied?
Once again, if he was a Muslim and asked for a Quran it would have been denied?
“To help you out, the post you replied to specifically asked the following question: “What is the penalty for sin and how many sins are required before that penalty is incurred?” “
Why is it the prison saw fit to give the prisoner a SPANISH Bible he could not read, and denied him an English Bible he could read?
Why do you believe prisoners should have the tiniest possible religious accommodation instead of the MOST freedom of religion consistent with their imprisonment?
Do y’all believe, as Obama did, that the first amendment only allows freedom of worship when inside a church building, and NOT “the free exercise thereof”? Do y’all believe religious freedom can be limited to the least amount possible by government officials based on the government’s hostility to religion?
Why would ANYONE give a prisoner a Bible he could not read instead of one he could? And why would ANYONE object to ANY prisoner reading a Bible?
Why do you hate Christianity?
“Why do you hate Christianity?”
Dude you are the one siding with the anti-Christian pro-muslim, pro-abortion, pro-LGBTQ organizations ... not me.
“And why would ANYONE object to ANY prisoner reading a Bible?”
He had three bibles in his cell and access to a chapel. Didn’t do him any good.
I get as pissed as anyone over the disparity/hypocrisy between other religions and Christians but won't jump the shark an a particular hypothetical.
I am siding with RELIGIOUS FREEDOM - which requires freedom for all religions.
“He had three bibles in his cell and access to a chapel. Didn’t do him any good.”
You don’t know that. You don’t know what he would be like if he NEVER read the Bible.
But you still refuse to answer my questions:
Why should the prison be willing to give him a Bible in a language he cannot read, and refuse to give him one in English? And WHY do you object to ANYONE reading the Bible? Why do you believe the government should restrict religious freedom to the barest minimum possible?
When he decides that he wants to act in a manner that does not require him to be in solitary confinement, he can go back to his regular prison cell, read his Bible, and finish out his sentence for raping a child.
“you are a lesser sinner than he.”
I have not raped a child.
He did.
“Why should the prison be willing to give him a Bible in a language he cannot read, and refuse to give him one in English?”
it appears that Conraad Hoever (child rapist) has written and filed several legal petitions.
On the petition in question, it seems he did not specify his request for an Bible translated to English.
Perhaps his petition should have been a bit more specific.
“he did not specify his request for an Bible translated to English”
According to court documents, he was given a Spanish Bible. He pointed out he could not read it and asked for an English Bible. He was refused.
WHY?
Why does the prison allow him a Bible he cannot read, and refuse him one he can read? Why do they want him to NOT read a Bible?
Hmmm?
Why would ANY prison official think reading a Bible was a bad thing?
Yes. The court found correctly that Hoever’s religious exercise was not substantially burdened by not being given a English Bible while in solitary. The court erred in their reasoning when they ruled that a religious practice had to be mandatory for its removal to cause a substantial burden. So right rule wrong reasoning.
Hoever admitted that he continued praying and reciting Bible verses so obviously he still continued his religious practice. The man is a serial filer and I doubt he gives a fig about not being able to read a Bible while in solitary. The only reason his case has any merit is because of that word “mandatory” in the ruling.
“Why does the prison allow him a Bible he cannot read, and refuse him one he can read? Why do they want him to NOT read a Bible?”
Again, on this one, I will side with the judgement of prison officials over the claims of a convicted child molester.
I don’t mean to defend this guy. My objection is based on previous actions by American Criminal Lunatic Union and some schools that violently oppose any attempt at promoting Christian values in schools but give a wink and nod to Muslims that want to do promote Islamic values there.
“Again, on this one, I will side with the judgement of prison officials over the claims of a convicted child molester.”
No reason. You just like one side and not the other, and that is sufficient basis to deny someone you despise the right to pursue their religious beliefs. Thus freedom of religion becomes “freedom for those I like” - and ONLY those you like. That is not freedom at all.
“Once again, if he was a Muslim and asked for a Quran it would have been denied?”
Considering that this referenced brief was supported by two anti-Christian, pro-muslim, pro-abortion, pro-LGBTQ groups I will leave it to speculation.
“You don’t know that. You don’t know what he would be like if he NEVER read the Bible.”
Then why did he have a disapline record a mile long and kept getting thrown into solitary?
“Thus freedom of religion becomes “freedom for those I like” - and ONLY those you like. That is not freedom at all.”
No, I am simply siding with prisons officials who think it is best to deny the convicted child molester his First or even Second Amendment rights while he is in solitary confinement.
From the Dallas News:”Muslim inmates in Texas prisons must be allowed to wear fist-length beards and skullcaps that their religion requires, a federal court ruled Monday. “Religion is important to lots of us, both in the free world and in prison,” said Eric Albritton, lawyer for David Rasheed Ali, the inmate who sued the Texas Department of Criminal Justice.”
Also from KNOW YOUR RIGHTS FREEDOM OF RELIGION (ACLU):”Courts have often concluded that prison officials could generally ban religious objects if they could make a plausible claim that the objects could pose security
problems.”
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