Trump says he misspoke during Putin news conference

UPI ^ | 07/17/2018 | Danielle Haynes

[DoughtyOne]

I never asked for the guy to be perfect. I don’t agree with him today, but in the overall scheme of things, this isn’t a deal breaker by a mile.

Nobody is going to quit supporting him over this.

It won’t hurt him at all, because the people who support him know what else is out there. They know how long they waited for someone like him.

He’s the only chance we’ve got.

[LeonardFMason]

You must watch a lot of lame stream media.

Trump hasn’t lost a single vote.

Midterms? It is July. The news cycle will flip 50 times before November.

[joesbucks]

Certainly hard core Trump supporters won’t stop supporting and circling the wagons for him. It’s the same symptom that people who supported Clinton during Whitewater, Rapegate and Monicagate had. It’s the same symptom of putting Obama on a pedestal. With both, their core supporters were we’ve waited for someone like them and only they can get us closer to what we think we want or need. It’s the people who have learned to like and accept Trump who will be backing away. Despite the claimed success with the economy and talks with North Korea, his Rasmuessen poll numbers are off a bit. (It’s always been the kindest poll to him.) With those successes he should be heading up.

[DoughtyOne]

I know what you’re trying to say, but I think you’re using the wrong arguments.

Comparing what Trump did to the crimes of Bill Clinton is a flawed effort > IMO. While you didn’t actually do that, by using them as a reference point, you kind of did.

Trump’s support isn’t going to wane.

We can go round and round on this, but Trump’s supporters are no different than you are. They like the man, appreciate what he’s trying to do, and are going to continue to support him.

This will be forgotten in days if not hours.

[joesbucks]

Which is the same as supporters for Clinton and Obama did. FR was highly motivated to disdain liberals when they did that.

I've gone to classes where they discuss when creating a brand, you need to create passionate followers that will defend you basically no matter what you do. Dave Ramsey, the finance guy, is one person who I've heard discuss this. The Apple brand is another example. Apple releases a clunker and passionate fans generally hang tough even going as far as to defend the clunker. Fans of Chic-Fil-A will do the same with regard to service that they wouldn't accept from other fast foods or customer centric companies.

Trump has done the same.

[DoughtyOne]

Trump did not rape women. He didn’t beat them up. He didn’t bite their lip. He didn’t sick his wife on them who hired PI’s to threaten and intimidate them.

I could list around twenty different actual crimes committed by Bill Clinton.

Trump is not a criminal.

He made a fairly innocent error in the overall scheme of things. It wasn’t an issue of national security. It wasn’t giving secret technology to China. It was a mistake.

Please don’t compare Trump’s fan base to Clinton’s.

Do you honestly think Trump’s fan base is as morally corrupt as Clinton’s?

I don’t think you do, so please quit posting this comparison. I know the concept you’re trying to introduce/support. I just think you’ve chosen the wrong two people to compare.

[joesbucks]

Never said he was or did. Moral corruption of either base has nothing to do with it. It has to do with identity politics. When Trump said he could stand in the middle of 5th Ave and shoot someone, he was citing the power of a loyal fan/supporter/identity base. Even he admitted his base would largely remain loyal to him despite the crime/infraction.

[DoughtyOne]

Your not doing yourself any favors with that comparison.

[joesbucks]

I’m not worried about doing myself any favors. Trump stated he could shoot someone and not lose votes. Yeah, it was half said in jest, but the fact is it was rooted in truth. And he new it. His support was durable despite what he might otherwise do. He could get away with just about anything and his support wouldn’t wither. That’s because his core supporters are more happy with his work and attempts to do their biding despite his failings. And that’s exactly why Obama and Clinton had similar support from their supporters. Especially Clinton during Monica. Feminists believed in Clinton so much they were able to overlook his shortcomings with Monica. They were happy with the direction those two were taking the Country and overlooked their failings in other areas.

[joesbucks]

So instead of bickering over equivalents, let’s cut to the chase. What would Trump have to do before you to stopped supporting him?

[Duchess47]

Trump stated he could shoot someone and not lose votes.

No, he did not state that. He quoted a magazine/news article that said that.

[DoughtyOne]

I’m not worried about doing myself any favors.

Okay good.  Because the examples you are using make it look like you don't have much discernment.  I'm sure we're on the same side, so that's why I care about how you look.

Trump stated he could shoot someone and not lose votes. Yeah, it was half said in jest, but the fact is it was rooted in truth. And he new it.

If Trump shot someone in public, unless he had a very good reason to do it, I would not follow him any further.  There is a massive difference between this hypothetical and the reality of who and what the Clintons and Obama truely were.  We're talking about criminals and the enemies of our nation who actually did real life deeds, and the folks who continue to support them, and Trump who hasn't done a single thing wrong.  If he adopted their tactics and committed crimes, I'd have to abandon him.  So woudl you.  So would every Conservative.  We do not comport ourselves as Leftist do.  We are Conservatives.  Making the falcious argument we would blindly follow as they do is a massive insult to Conservatives.

His support was durable despite what he might otherwise do.

But it wouldn't be, as I have just explained.  If he acted like the Clintons and Obama, I would shun him and out him just like I did them.  Conservatives DO NOT back people like the Clintons or Obama.

He could get away with just about anything and his support wouldn’t wither.

You know this isn't true.  You know better than this.

That’s because his core supporters are more happy with his work and attempts to do their biding despite his failings.

If Trump makes a political misstep once in a while, sure.  If he acts like the Clinotns or Obama, NO.  Hell no!

And that’s exactly why Obama and Clinton had similar support from their supporters.

Please quit making this idiotic statement.  Conservatives would never back someone who did things like the Clintons or Obama did.

If we're talking about political miscues sure.  If we're talking about criminality, no.  You know that.

Especially Clinton during Monica. Feminists believed in Clinton so much they were able to overlook his shortcomings with Monica.

We are not anything goes, the ends justify the means people.  The Leftists are.  You need to think long and hard about what you are charing Conservatives with, because you are insulting them seriously here..

They were happy with the direction those two were taking the Country and overlooked their failings in other areas.

Yes they were, and that's why we recognize them as very flawed people.  Why would you possibly slander Conservativies as if they weren't law and order people?.

[DoughtyOne]

He would have to do something that clearly qualified him to be impeached.

That was my standard for Clinton and Obama. It would be my standard for Trump.

It would be my standard for any president.

We are Conservatives. We are not Leftists.

We hold ourselves to a higher standard.

[joesbucks]

Clinton’s was lying under oath. Does Trump have to lie under oath or would a simple lie qualify? What in your mind was Obama’s impeachable offense?

[DoughtyOne]

I’ve tried to discuss this with you reasonably.

I’m not going to sit here and explain Bill Clinton to you.

Later...

[joesbucks]

I listed Clinton’s impeachable offense. I 9nly asked if simale lying would count. If I recall from the old Prodigy board you were against him prior to impeachment.

[DoughtyOne]

Joesbucks, I told you what my standard was.

As for Clinton you know his criminal history, and the fact we couldn’t get any traction on him being held to account.

If Trump had the number of issues that Clinton had, I wouldn’t have supported him either.

I don’t back crooks.

Bill and his wife were IMO front people for organized crime.

Donald Trump has not done anything like that to my knowledge.

Bill’s Uncle Buddy had a sordid history in Arkansas, and Clinton was so close to him that he named the White house dog after him.

Clinton had five to ten serious problems. We opposed him because he was unfit to be president.

I don’t see anything like this when it comes to Trump.

[joesbucks]

I have no love for the Clinton's. However, they were never charged with any of the Arkansas issues you mentioned. I sort of think where there's smoke there's fire, especially with them. BUT, they were never charged. Including Whitewater.

I believe Trump's Achilles' Heal is money laundering. If Mueller or another prosecutor returns credible money laundering charges or accusations, whether he's charged or not, would you stop support? In my mind, that is pretty darn close to some of the Arkansas stuff the Clinton's may have had involvement.

[DoughtyOne]

Many people in the position to know, came out and told their story about the Clintons. Some of them were law enforcement people. Rape, beatings, land flips, foreign cash, drugs, dead people...

I’ve seen nothing like this regarding Trump, and it bothers me to see you raising hypothetical high crimes to see if you can get me to turn on Trump.

I think I’ve made it pretty clear what my thoughts are here.

I don’t see this being productive from this point.

Thanks for the mention of the days at Prodigy. I remember them fondly.

[joesbucks]

I’m not asking you to drop him based on my hunch. And I’ve seen nothing like the Clinton’s at this point regarding Trump. Except for maybe a little grab butt type stuff. I’m only asking if my hunch turns out to be right.