Posted on 08/21/2018 10:38:59 AM PDT by Zenjitsuman
You probably know as a bubblehead, that didn’t always work out that way in WWII for our submarine crews, though...times do change.
And 99%+ of the time, your Manichean choice of die or get to port is true in any case...
None of it. McCain is scum. But less useful. I’ll give him an excuse for the torture confessions. But that was a looooong time agoooo.
Sorry it was a rhetorical image. not a personal attack. Just having been thru all of that then, it still makes me upset.
yes anyone tortured as a prisoner of war can not be blamed if the torture breaks him...I myself am sure that if taken prisoner I would break. I think that it is a rare individual that can hold out for any meaningful amount of time under torture. I will judge NO Name by his actions since returning from war and becoming a politician. As far as I am concerned No name should of left politics years ago when he got caught up in the savings and loan scandal.
I completely understand, PIF. Don’t worry about it.
To get a clearer view one would have to hear what his fellow prisoners have to say.
BTTT!!!!
Do not care.
Good post!
Thanks. Sigh. Even 50 some odd years later, emotions are high on this.
And understandably so.
If he gets any more dead, he will be dead.
It doesn’t matter.
>>The stinking Commie Cong and the NVA in the north beat our prisoners unmerciful. They beat them with cane sticks to the point there was barely meat left on their backs. If you people have never been in a POW’s shoes (regardless of what you think about someone, even McScream whom I detest) shut up!! Unless you have suffered as they do, don’t even begin to THINK you know what they went through or tell me how YOU would have handled it. Just shut up. The Reds were great at propaganda. They could have made anyone look like he squealed for special treatment. Good grief.
Are you stupid? Did you even read my post? Since you missed it, but found the need to be outraged about something you didn’t even read, here it is again. Try to read it this time!
“I hate his guts but I won’t criticize a man for breaking under the torture that those communist bastards put any of them through.”
I didn’t say how I would have handled it. I said that I WOULDN’T criticize him for whatever he did.
Now, if you can, go read the OP. I was DISAGREEING with the idea that we should criticize him (or any POW) for what they may or may not have done BECAUSE of the torture.
Is that simple enough for you?
>>You probably know as a bubblehead, that didn’t always work out that way in WWII for our submarine crews, though...times do change.
They all came from 4 boats. We lost a total of 52. Those are pretty good odds for not becoming a POW, especially since modern boats operate deeper and ASW weapons are much more effective.
That was my qualifier...:)
bump
First of all this is from 2016. This is his Hanoi Hilton Tokyo Rose speech where he confessed to being a war criminal in order to get preferential treatment. Compare this to Stockdale.This is old news.
Okay, got it. Yes, indeed there is a select breed of man who chooses the hard road when he could as easily pick the couch and frat party, or regular CS or CSS units.
However, warriors are not ignorant of the risks- the further up the spear point you go, the greater the risk to a degree. While some folks choose specialties and earn the right to wear scrolls, tabs badges and other distinguishing accouterments, all face the potential of being “that guy”.
The average Joe or Jill in any uniform, but just as at risk some days as the Spartans types.
In fact, I found that after several tours with sparky units, going back to a “regular” unit seemed to have more risks than not. Less proficiency with weapons, plans that are well thought out, less than ideal support and intel and situational awareness and certainly less aplomb in carrying out the “mundane” tasks that make any and every mission a success.
Usually, the “famous” types were avoided if at all possible.
McCain has not been held prisoner in Vietnam for 45 years. He has undermined America since being released. No excuse for that.
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