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Russia shows captured Ukrainian sailors in "confession" video
CBS ^ | November 27, 2018

Posted on 11/27/2018 6:53:02 AM PST by McGruff

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To: aumrl

At ANY point, Turkey can declare the Black Sea to be a Turkish lake, and they have done so in the past. They just have never had the military power to keep it that way for very long.

Such is the way of things.


21 posted on 11/27/2018 9:17:51 AM PST by tcrlaf (They told me it could never happen in America. And then it did....)
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To: McGruff

Its a barbarian act by the Russians. In 2016 Iran did the same thing, showing video of captured US sailors with “confessions”.


22 posted on 11/27/2018 9:31:57 AM PST by tlozo
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To: bert

Oh, Russia gets to just determine how to rewrite an agreement that is already signed?

Is Moscow paying you a salary or what?


23 posted on 11/27/2018 9:46:52 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Mariner

It’s not quite international waters, but not quite “Russian waters” either.

Russian and Ukraine made an agreement to consider the sea both of their countries’ internal waters, and to share access between them. Russia has just decided that it doesn’t want to uphold that agreement anymore, probably because they figure nobody will do anything to stop them.


24 posted on 11/27/2018 9:49:20 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman

“Russian and Ukraine made an agreement to consider the sea both of their countries’ internal waters, and to share access between them. Russia has just decided that it doesn’t want to uphold that agreement anymore, probably because they figure nobody will do anything to stop them.”

Not true.

They signed a TREATY saying they would hare it for commercial traffic, subject to inspection by either side. And that no military vessels would be allowed in except by mutual agreement.

Then Ukraine unilaterally sailed navy boats toward the strait and tried to enter.


25 posted on 11/27/2018 10:02:35 AM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

I have to call bs on this. The treaty is online show me anywhere it says Ukraine has to get Russian permission for military vessels to enter the Azov. Russians have brought their naval ships in, did they get permission?


26 posted on 11/27/2018 10:15:33 AM PST by tlozo
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To: tlozo

The treaty says “mutual agreement”.


27 posted on 11/27/2018 10:38:44 AM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: tcrlaf

The other half dozen countries on the Black Sea might have something to say about that.


28 posted on 11/27/2018 11:22:26 AM PST by aumrl (let's keep it real Conservatives)
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To: Pride in the USA

Whatever questions exist claiming either provocation (Ukraine) or aggression (Russia), showing a video of these men “confessing” is barbaric and outrageous.


29 posted on 11/27/2018 2:29:04 PM PST by lonevoice (diagonally parked in a parallel universe)
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To: Boogieman

You are right that Russia and Ukraine have the 2003 treaty and even without it they are both parties to United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea, which means the Right of Innocent Passage applies and it is illegal for Russia to block the strait.


30 posted on 11/28/2018 12:34:14 PM PST by Krosan
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To: Mariner

“Then Ukraine unilaterally sailed navy boats toward the strait and tried to enter.”

If what you say is true, then there wouldn’t have been any Russian military ships there to fire on them, unless the Russians had already unilaterally violated the agreement.


31 posted on 11/29/2018 7:56:35 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Mariner

Anyway, what you say isn’t even true since the 2003 agreement says:

“4) Mercantile vessels and other state non-commercial vessels flying the flags of the Russian Federation and the Ukraine have free navigation in the sea of Azov and the strait of Kerch.”

Military vessels are of course “state non-commercial vessels”.


32 posted on 11/29/2018 7:59:09 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman

It was a Russian Coast Guard vessel that fired.

Please provide a like for the quote you provided.


33 posted on 11/29/2018 8:04:25 AM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

http://www.fao.org/fishery/shared/faolextrans.jsp?xp_FAOLEX=LEX-FAOC045795&xp_faoLexLang=E&xp_lang=en


34 posted on 11/29/2018 9:39:54 AM PST by Boogieman
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