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The Fall of the Aztecs, The Bloody Path to Tenochtitlan
War History Online ^ | 15NOV17 | Greg Jackson

Posted on 01/09/2019 10:35:33 PM PST by vannrox

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To: humblegunner

Cowboys are good.

I love cowboys.

Lots of natives we’re good too.

What’s wrong with accepting that concept?


41 posted on 01/10/2019 1:17:16 AM PST by pacificus
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To: jmacusa

Good for you. I’m native to California.


42 posted on 01/10/2019 1:19:06 AM PST by YogicCowboy ("I am not entirely on anyone's side, because no one is entirely on mine." - J. R. R. Tolkien)
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To: YogicCowboy

I agree.

England France Spain and Portugal were leaders in colonization of the new world

I love America, and liberty and freedom, and security.

All of those colonial powers wiped out millions of indigenous American humans.

I don’t feel guilty for loving America and Americans.


43 posted on 01/10/2019 1:24:20 AM PST by pacificus
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To: YogicCowboy

Awesome post!

Now I can get some sleep.

God bless America!


44 posted on 01/10/2019 1:26:14 AM PST by pacificus
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To: pacificus

It wasn’t hundreds of millions. Hundreds of thousands would be a stretch for even their most densely populated areas.

Don’t drink the Kool-Aid.


45 posted on 01/10/2019 1:28:35 AM PST by Cvengr ( Adversity in life & death is inevitable; Stress is optional through faith in Christ.)
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To: Cvengr

Just the Aztecs in a small patch of central Mexico were more than 1 million.

Add in all of North, Central, and South America.

It was hundreds of millions.


46 posted on 01/10/2019 1:34:12 AM PST by pacificus
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To: DesertRhino

Cannibals bad. Conquistadors heroes. Stopping the aztec and Mayans was justified.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
My God, talk about one kind of “culture” versus another.

WHAT KIND OF CULTURE IS CANNIBALISM????
That is only one degree short of Islamists and their LOVE of DEATH BY ANY HORRIBLE MEANS.

How do we celebrate the Mayan/Aztec culture ?? Celebrate by praising its demise.

Some day soon we may celebrate the radical Islamic CULTURE’s dimise.


47 posted on 01/10/2019 1:38:45 AM PST by Maris Crane
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To: Jeff Chandler

Poor construction, pointless repetition, and then: Irregardless?

More like illiterate.


48 posted on 01/10/2019 1:39:19 AM PST by Don W (When blacks riot, neighbourhoods and cities burn. When whites riot, nations and continents burn.)
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To: DesertRhino

Cannibals bad. Conquistadors heroes. Stopping the aztec and Mayans was justified.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
My God, talk about one kind of “culture” versus another.

WHAT KIND OF CULTURE IS CANNIBALISM????
That is only one degree short of Islamists and their LOVE of DEATH BY ANY HORRIBLE MEANS.

How do we celebrate the Mayan/Aztec culture ?? Celebrate by praising its demise.

Some day soon we may celebrate the radical Islamic CULTURE’s dimise.


49 posted on 01/10/2019 1:39:26 AM PST by Maris Crane
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To: pacificus
Historical people who lived in these times understood that brutality for the sake of brutality was not good.

Tell it to the Carthaginians.

50 posted on 01/10/2019 1:39:55 AM PST by Cvengr ( Adversity in life & death is inevitable; Stress is optional through faith in Christ.)
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To: Maris Crane

Sorry for the duplication


51 posted on 01/10/2019 1:40:10 AM PST by Maris Crane
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To: vannrox
The Aztec Macuahuitl was a viscious weapon against unarmored foes

You mean like motor oil or something similar?

52 posted on 01/10/2019 1:47:43 AM PST by aomagrat (Brains have been washed. Wheels have been greased. Hate has been mongered.)
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To: pacificus
Many hundreds of millions of humans died and were killed as a result of these settlements.

Your figure contains too many zeroes.

Most deaths were by disease and that was absolutely unavoidable. Technology made global travel and the spread of diseases worldwide possible.

The technology genie wasn't going back inside the bottle. If it wasn't Europeans introducing new diseases into the New World, it would have been someone else... probably the muslims.

As bad as you may believe Europeans to have been relative to our present time, try imaging a New World colonized by muslims.

53 posted on 01/10/2019 1:55:05 AM PST by fso301
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To: pacificus

The Romans destroyed Carthage. Carthage sacrificed children to Molech there. It was one of the things that horrified the Romans.

The Aztecs had an absolutely evil religious philosophy undergirding their society and all inhabitants were saturated in that philosophy from the least to the greatest of them. It needed to be destroyed!


54 posted on 01/10/2019 2:02:31 AM PST by mdmathis6
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To: pacificus

Get outside and work the land. Provide crops to those who have never been in the countryside. Consider the logistics and the Civil works required for such population densities.
Consider the amount of acreage required to sustain such population densities.

Hundreds of millions in a nation hasn’t been feasible until after the industrial revolution and mass production and delivery of goods and basics which were developed in the US in the 1900s.

Discern between missions, settlement, colonization, and immigration. Entirely different motivations and systems of governance for each.

Most of what you are studying is historical revisionism.
Politicians attempting to mislead the younger generation to think in terms of their present local culture, instead of actually studying the mechanics of past human endeavor.

In regards to engineering, about the only engineering aspect not found in Europe during the time of the Conquistadors, was the catenary and suspension bridges discovered with the Incas in South America.

There is only so much which can be done with gravity flowing irrigation and cesspools, oxen and paddled/sailing boats and barges, unimproved trails and thatched or adobe huts.

In regards to engineering wonders, I suspect more recent studies regarding the Nephilim and Giants actually touch on unexplained sources in the Americas, though the same or similar structures are also found in nearly all ancient history throughout the planet...but I digress.

I understand lots of history taught in the last 30 years assumes millions of people lived in those past civilizations. Only problem is the numbers don’t add up, when actually trying to implement such empires, before the internal combustion engine or steam powered systems.


55 posted on 01/10/2019 2:10:56 AM PST by Cvengr ( Adversity in life & death is inevitable; Stress is optional through faith in Christ.)
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To: pacificus
The Spanairds had just driven armies of Moors off the European continent when they sent expeditions to America stocked full of war veterans. They didn’t want all of these battle tested veterans hanging around medival towns causing trouble.

Might that have been in part due to promises having been made to the people that leaders had no intention of keeping?

You will be surprised how many Catholic people agonized over fighting and killing the indigenous people of the Americas, and wrote about it. They were smart enough to know that killing people, because they were different... isn’t a Christian Virtue.

Christianity had a powerful influence on pagan Europe but Europe only partially Christianized. A recognition of that can help explain a lot.

56 posted on 01/10/2019 2:14:56 AM PST by fso301
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To: Cvengr

Discern between missions, pioneering, settlement, colonization, and immigration. Entirely different motivations and systems of governance for each.

BTW, your self assessment indicates you are more Latino than Hispanic.


57 posted on 01/10/2019 2:19:00 AM PST by Cvengr ( Adversity in life & death is inevitable; Stress is optional through faith in Christ.)
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To: vannrox

A shining modern city on a hill and those brutal Spaniards with swords and arrows killed everyone of these peace loving peoples who daily offered sacrifices to the gods of “willing sacrifices” Softening the brutality of our neighbors to the south who are once again the innocent victims and we are Satan, what a load


58 posted on 01/10/2019 2:32:56 AM PST by ronnie raygun (nic dip.com)
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To: vannrox

According to the Aztec’s own traditions, when they settled in the Valley of Mexico City, one of the rulers of a neighboring kingdom gave the Aztec leader his daughter
for a wife. They promptly sacrificed her to their bloody gods and cut her heart out.

One of the reasons for Cortez’ success against them was the thousands of troops from allied tribes who hated the Aztec for their “Flower Wars” conducted to obtain prisoners to sacrifice to Huizilopochtli,
The Hummingbird Wizard, and their other ghastly gods.

Cortez should have exterminated all of the bloody Aztecs.

Even by Mexican and Central American standards they were exceptionally brutal.


59 posted on 01/10/2019 2:54:52 AM PST by ZULU (Impeach John Roberts for corruption. SOROS IS "SPARTACUS" BOOKER'S LANISTA.)
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To: Mr. N. Wolfe

“I left my heart in Tenochtitlan”


60 posted on 01/10/2019 3:10:20 AM PST by Sirius Lee (In God We Trust, In Trump We MAGA)
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