Posted on 01/10/2019 9:36:40 PM PST by ColdOne
Kamala mistakenly believes she passes
Re: What to Expect from a Kamala Harris Presidency(pronounced comma-lah)
From DMZFrank | 12/22/2018 2:58:29 PM PST replied
The SCOTUS has never directly ruled on the meaning of Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the constitution with regard to POTUS eligibility. But in SCOTUS cases wherein they have given a definition of what a NBC (or a 14th amendment citizen in the case of Wong Kim Ark)is, Minor vs Haperstatt, Venus Merchantman Case of 1814) they defined an NBC as a person born of TWO, count them TWO citizen parents (the parents don’t have to be NBC) and born in one of the states of the Union, or the territories.
The authors of the 14th amendment, in the Congressional debates on the matter, also defined an NBC in the same manner. Rep. Bimgham and Senator Jacob Howard were the principal authors of the 14th amendment. Here is a quote from Howard which clearly spelled out the intent of the 14th Amendment in 1866, which was to define citizenship. He stated: “Every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country.”
Until this matter is formally adjudicated by the Court, I will defer to their NBC stare decisis definitions. Harris, Obama and a host of others were not, are not, and can NEVER be constitutionally eligible to be POTUS.
Whatever one thinks what the meaning of Article II, Section 1, clause 5 is, it is clear that the adoption of the 14th amendment did not alter it in any constitutional sense. How else can you account for the fact that the constitution only specifies for the office of senator and representative citizenship for a period of 9 and 7 years respectively, while the constitution requires the POTUS, to be NATURALLY born, owing allegiance to no other country? That is the ONLY constitutional provision for NBC. Obviously, there is a singular distinction with regard to that office. Under Jamaican and Indian citizenship law, for instance, It is conceivable that Jamaica or India could claim that Kamala Harris, thru her parents, is a citizen who owes allegiance to both of those countries FROM HER BIRTH. It was conferred upon her by those countries citizenship laws, just as valid as our own.
By the way, Ted Cruz (who I admire very much) made a very public demonstration of the fact that he was going to FORMALLY renounce his CANADIAN citizenship. What NATURALLY BORN US citizen has to do such a thing?
The framers of the constitution were patriarchs. (Yes I understand that is completely out of tune with modern sensibilities, but nonetheless it is true.) They believed that the citizenship of the FATHER was conferred upon his children. SCOUTUS incorporated in toto the ENTIRE 212th paragraph of Emerich De Vattel’s Law of Nations in their 1814 Venus merchantman case as they defined what an NBC is. Here is the money quote that Justice Livingstone that was cited when he wrote for the majority, “The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights.”
I suspect the reason that many do not want this issue formally examined is that they wish to foster and enhance the globalist influence on the office of POTUS. The NBC requirement was never intended to be a guarantee of allegiance, but a safeguard against undue foreign influence on the office of POTUS, PARTICULARLY from a father owing allegiance to a foreign sovereignty. The oath of naturalization requires a formal and legal renunciation of any prior national allegiances.
Jennie Spencer-Churchill, known as Lady Randolph Churchill, was a natural born US citizen, and a British socialite, the wife of Lord Randolph Churchill and the mother of British Prime Minister Sir Winston Churchill.
Under US citizenship law at the time of Churchill’s birth, despite the fact that his mother was a NATURAL BORN US citizen, she could not transmit her US citizenship on to young Winston owing to her marriage to a foreign national, Sir Randolph Spencer Churchill, who was Winston’s father. That would not be legally allowed until the passage of the Cable Act of 1922, well after Churchill’s birth in 1874. The Cable Act only confers citizenship, NOT NATURALLY BORN citizenship. It did not refer to, or alter the meaning of an Article II, Sec. 1, clause 5 “natural born citizen” in any way.
Churchill was granted HONORARY US citizenship by an act of Congress on 9 April 1963. It was understood that his birth to a an NBC citizen US mother in Great Britain did not make him a citizen by law.
This is just one more indication of the fact that Obama, Cruz, Rubio OR Harris can NEVER be constitutionally eligible to the office of POTUS. We need to have this issue finally adjudicated by SCOTUS for the first time in US history, and finally get a definitive answer one way or another.
We have enough naturally born anti-american, anti-constitutional cultural marxists in our country now who aspire to be POTUS. I say let’s eliminate all those who don’t even meet the basic Article II criteria. Winnow the opposition.
This matter is SCREAMING for a definitive ruling on the meaning of Article II, Section 1, clause 5, by the SCOTUS for the first time in the history of the US. It is revealing to note what Clarence Thomas told a House subcommittee that when it comes to determining whether a person born outside the 50 states can serve as U.S. president when he said that the high court is “evading” the issue. The comments came as part of Thomas’ testimony before a House appropriations panel discussing an increase in the Supreme Court’s budget in April of 2017. Thomas said that to Subcommittee Chairman Rep. Jose Serrano, D-N.Y.
After two Obama terms, I think they are terrified of the implications of a ruling based on originalist constitutional intent and interpretation. That does not excuse the cowardice in refusing a grant of certiorari for those who wish to have SCOTUS exercise it’s Article III oversight on this matter.
I can guarantee she didn’t break up his marriage. Willie Brown was always in charge. In Sacramento he had his run of women. He looked homely but he was powerful, energetic and funny. I saw him with three different beautiful women in Sacto. One night I came out of the elevator at the Hyatt about 11. He was with a tall redhead the most beautiful woman I had ever seen, waiting to get into the elevator. I lost froze in the door of the elevator. When Honda came out with their high end sports car, IIRC the NTX, he had the first ne in Cal, a red one. He burned up the 80 freeway to SF and the CHP escorted him.
He was a known cockhound. Two women i was woking with went to a party he attended and he had two asian women all over him. To say that someone broke up his marriage is to take away the fact he was in charge of his women and did what he wanted.
“Neither of her parents were citizens at the time of her birth.”
I would agree, but I want to see evidence/proof. Got any?
Democrats have to be likable (Republicans, not so much). She isn't. She has a charisma problem. She's cold, angry, scowling, uninspiring. Bill Clinton had charisma. Barack Obama had charisma. Al Gore didn't and neither did Hillary. Kamala Harris is a vile, loathsome leftist who will energize the same "anybody but Hillary" voters that helped put Trump in the White House.
OK WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO TO STOP IT?
” her mother moved to Canada when Kamala was 7, working at McGill University for 16 years, meaning mom had to have surrendered her American citizenship to Canadian citizenship to work”
Here we go again with information that is IRRELEVANT posited as proof.
Kamala was born in the United States. It doesn’t matter where in the world she moved to or for how long. It doesn’t matter if her mother renounces her U.S. citizenship AFTER Kamala is born.
It is (by design) very hard to lose your U.S. citizenship. You have to formally renounce your citizenship or serve in a foreign military against the United States. Treason.
You CAN be an Americanadian. Cruz was a Cubanadian. He was BORN IN CANADA a YUGE difference.
The ONLY, I say ONLY question is were BOTH her parents U.S. citizens at the moment of Kamala’s birth.
All this other stuff is just NOISE! It doesn’t matter.
Natural born citizen “status” is “Born in the country to TWO citizen parentS”.
There are only TWO types of citizenship.
1. Native. Born in the country.
2. Naturalized. Not born in the country and made a citizen by government action.
There is virtually NO DIFFERENCE between “Native” and “Naturalized” legally. Both have all the same rights except for a couple obscure things that I forget.
“Natural born citizen” is a STATUS, a CONDITION of “Native” citizenship that ONLY applies to the “eligibility” to be president (Article II, Section 1, Clause 5, of the U.S. Constitution) or to be vice president (12th Amendment).
IT IS NOT A THIRD TYPE OF “CITIZENSHIP”.
I know.
Thank you Chief Justice
Only thing I have is that you have to be in th US for five years before you can become a citizen and her parents came to America about 3 years before her birth.
I went on the hunt for her parents citizenship at the time of her birth and cannot find anything.
So mine is circumstantial but pretty good circumstantial
Highly highly doubtful that Kamala’s parents where citizens when she was born. She is not going to say. We know The Supreme Court with chickenshit Roberts would never rule on “Natural Born” citizenship. Which in my book is one of The Constitution’s most important features.
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