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With modified fire control system, China's Su-30 fighter jets might be aircraft carrier's nightmare
China Military Online ^ | 2019-02-01

Posted on 02/05/2019 5:01:44 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki

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To: Diogenesis

It looks like a straight ripoff of a MIG-29.

Bill Clinton should of been tried for treason a long time ago.

Look at China before his administrations and then look at them after. They weren’t even a threat before. They sure as hell now are.


21 posted on 02/05/2019 7:19:31 AM PST by Bulwyf
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To: Bulwyf

Loral missile guidance tech and the cray supercomputers to run it. After al core picked up cash from Chinese military at Buddhist temple Rowland heights ca 1996


22 posted on 02/05/2019 7:23:06 AM PST by morphing libertarian (Use Comey's Report; Indict Hillary now; build Kate's wall. --- Proud Smelly Walmart Deplorable)
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To: morphing libertarian

It’s astounding to know that people we are supposed to be able to trust would give away tech to people that they know want what we have.


23 posted on 02/05/2019 7:34:30 AM PST by Bulwyf
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To: Bulwyf

especially a country that wants to make us a secondary power It is clear to me this poor boy from Arkansas would do anything for money including keep tens of millions from poor Haitians


24 posted on 02/05/2019 8:00:02 AM PST by morphing libertarian (Use Comey's Report; Indict Hillary now; build Kate's wall. --- Proud Smelly Walmart Deplorable)
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To: morphing libertarian

I think it’s more nefarious. I think he is part of the global order. One must first destroy a bastion of freedom before the globalists can seize the reins.


25 posted on 02/05/2019 8:09:02 AM PST by Bulwyf
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To: Bulwyf

I think clinton is the first president that supported the concept it’s not good for the US to be the lone world power. We have to equal it out and bring the others up to our level. Of course Obama masters that with his ambition to spread islam and punch the “colonialist”


26 posted on 02/05/2019 8:41:54 AM PST by morphing libertarian (Use Comey's Report; Indict Hillary now; build Kate's wall. --- Proud Smelly Walmart Deplorable)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

China is well on its way to a blue-water naval capability. They will challenge the US for superiority at sea, which means either escalation on our part in regards to floating tonnage, or a means to nullify their growing capabilities.


27 posted on 02/05/2019 8:52:52 AM PST by alloysteel (Man does not live by bread alone. He needs chocolate cake too.)
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To: allendale
As retired USAF, would you want your son flying off a carrier?

Well, I have a warrior spirit.

"Today is a good day to die."

My son doesn't. He likes to play it on video games, but he always tells me, "I'm not like you, Dad. I'm chicken."

But to answer your question, if he did, I'd be proud of him. Worried as Hell, but still proud.

I'm hoping the powers-that-be in the Military are aware of the changing dynamics. I've met a lot of stupid generals and admirals, but mostly, they're very smart men. I worry more about their stubbornness to established doctrine, and what 20 years of counter-insurgency has done to us.

Donald needs to keep pushing them, and they need to salute and say, "Yes Sir! Show us the money!"

28 posted on 02/05/2019 10:31:04 AM PST by Alas Babylon! (The media is after us. Trump's just in the way.)
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To: alloysteel

When I think about this, the economics of it all don’t make sense.

So, looking back on history, say, the struggle with Kaiser Wilhelm II versus the UK, especially with the buildup with the Kriegsmarine versus the Royal Navy.

Is that not similar to what we face now?

Is it 1910 all over again, with us as the British and the Chinese as the Germans?

Still, the UK was NEVER a creditor nation to Germany’s industry. But we are to China. And it is HUGE.

A war between China and the USA hits China HARDEST in the pocketbook. A lot more damaging, economically, than even losing their entire brand shiny new fleet... Even if they prevailed over us at sea, they’d have to occupy us to get us to pay our debt, which would ruin us economically, which means China still wouldn’t get paid.

A similar, but totally different dynamic.

I think saber-rattling by China. The trouble is, historically, saber-rattling has led to war despite the intentions.


29 posted on 02/05/2019 10:41:49 AM PST by Alas Babylon! (The media is after us. Trump's just in the way.)
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To: Vaquero

China’s current carriers are obsolete at best and lean more toward the antique category. Their plane can only mange short flight with only a few missiles or bombs due to the ski ramp configuration and are mostly good only for carrier defense. In any conflict they will be of little use.

Under construction are a flat deck carrier and an EMALs carrier. These will could be real threats. Also reportedly the Chinese have solved the EMALs launch rate problems (we have not, nor the EM elevator problems on the USS Ford); they have also fielding a ship with a rail gun mounted. Have they really solved those problems? Who knows? Espionage goes only one way with the Chinese.

Subs cannot gain air superiority - a necessity in any conflict just as territory cannot be held without soldiers on the ground.

Drones are currently pretty much of a joke as far as combat goes. They just are not as capable as the movies would have people think.

Given the Dong Feng (DF-5)and other missile systems, do you really imaging that if they were all the Chinese would like you to believe, we would still be buying more multi-billon dollar carriers?


30 posted on 02/05/2019 2:33:19 PM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: Alas Babylon!

We’ve been shoveling money to them for decades and look at the results - Little Coffin Ships and Zumwalt disasters (just as their namesake) for the Navy and F-35 for the Air Force. Those GOFOs need to fix the procurement system before we shovel any more; we’ve forgotten the fundamentals of ‘build a little, test a little, learn a lot, and build some more’ in favor of ‘transformation’, counting on pixie dust to assist in the generational leaps. That failed and now here we are - behind and trying to play catch-up without changing our mindset and the hard lessons learned in the past.


31 posted on 02/05/2019 2:41:26 PM PST by GreyHoundSailor
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Subs can take out carriers…from a distance.


32 posted on 02/05/2019 3:19:07 PM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you .)
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To: GreyHoundSailor

Hey, this is NOTHING new. The history of the US Military is replete with problems with funding, manufacturing, and deploying weapons systems. Right now, it feels like the 1930s all over again!

Did you know that in the early days after Pearl Harbor, our US sub commanders were issued torpedoes that did NOT explode on contact? The vendor never tested them. A real debacle, and many lives lost because of it.

The WWII Sherman tank was a POS compared to Germans and Russian tanks—luckily we made so many of them we could absorb the loses. Patton (before the war) himself tried to get the Army working on a better tank, but the General Staff figured, “Pfffttt...What does he know?”

BGen Billy Mitchell of the Army Air Corps tried to convince the Navy their battleships were endangered from bombers... He got court-martialed when he went to the press in frustration.

Same with the stupid workarounds on Naval vessels due to the Treaty of Washington, limiting battleships and cruiser tonnage between US, UK and Imperial Japan. All it did was cause us to make smaller ships with less armor, which in warfare caused many deaths—see the Battle of Tulagi & Savo Island; four US lightly armed cruiser sunk, and the Marines left on Guadalcanal without follow on supplies.


33 posted on 02/05/2019 3:48:09 PM PST by Alas Babylon! (The media is after us. Trump's just in the way.)
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To: Alas Babylon!

What’s new in the whole shebang is the fact a major weapons system (new class of ship) is so far behind, with nothing to replace it, that we’ll have to push de-commissionings far to the right. I’m not speaking about individual weapons - we used to know how to build ships, and do it right. We put all our eggs in the LCS basket, and ended up with crap.


34 posted on 02/06/2019 2:33:09 PM PST by GreyHoundSailor
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