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Destroying the Electoral College: The Anti-Federalist National Popular Vote Scheme
Heritage Foundation ^ | October 27, 2011 | Hans von Spakovsky

Posted on 04/07/2019 12:01:29 PM PDT by NobleFree

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To: Navy Patriot
Electoral College: what it would look like if it were abolished.............


21 posted on 04/07/2019 1:30:01 PM PDT by yoe
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To: NobleFree

The only way to stop it is to win the majority. If California’s and New York’s votes went to Trump because they did this they would rethink their strategy.


22 posted on 04/07/2019 1:52:45 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Jacquerie
Von Spakovsky deals with the issue of compacts among states in some detail. They are clearly unconstitutional and can be challenged by the others states. Almost certainly prevailing.

The Constitution’s Compact Clause provides that “No State shall, without the Consent of Congress…enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State.”[18] The Founders created the Compact Clause because they feared that compacting states would threaten the supremacy of the federal government in matters of foreign affairs and relations among the states.[19] If states could make agreements among themselves, they could damage the nation’s federalist structure. Populist states, for example, cannot agree to have their U.S. Senators vote to seat only one Senator from a less populous state...

23 posted on 04/07/2019 2:03:11 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: xkaydet65

“Thus a state has ignored the voters in favor of voters in other states.”

This makes perfect sense to a party that wants to elevate illegal foreigners above American citizens.


24 posted on 04/07/2019 2:05:02 PM PDT by LeoTDB69
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To: yoe

That sure cuts down the driving time from NY to Texas. LOL


25 posted on 04/07/2019 2:07:11 PM PDT by LeoTDB69
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To: NobleFree

Very well argued.

Here’s a question for you: Suppose the Democrats take the Senate in 2020 (or 2022), and Congress APPROVES the NPV interstate compact?

Would that make it Constitutional?


26 posted on 04/07/2019 2:11:19 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Freedom is the freedom to say that 2+2 = 4)
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To: NobleFree

The only votes that will matter will be New York and California if the EC is dissolved.

And when those states give illegal aliens, felons in jail and crazy people the right to vote while scrubbing the ticket of Trump or anyone else conservative....well....


27 posted on 04/07/2019 2:17:23 PM PDT by Tzimisce
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To: Jim Noble
Good question. Prof. Ian Drake says, "Congress is constitutionally unable to grant approval of this compact" - but his argument to that effect is behind a journal paywall.
28 posted on 04/07/2019 2:18:45 PM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: centurion316
Populist states, for example, cannot agree to have their U.S. Senators vote to seat only one Senator from a less populous state...

But that's not because of the compacts clause.

THat's because Article V says "no State shall be deprived of equal suffrage in the Senate without its consent".

29 posted on 04/07/2019 2:19:59 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Freedom is the freedom to say that 2+2 = 4)
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Well its clear they are violating the Compact clause of the Constitution

You will have to do better than that, since the next Democrat Congress will undoubtedly approve the compact.

30 posted on 04/07/2019 2:22:30 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Freedom is the freedom to say that 2+2 = 4)
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To: NobleFree

“‘It is inconceivable that guaranties embedded in the Constitution of the United States may thus be manipulated out of existence.’”

Second Amendment is fading fast
Free Speech and Association is getting hammered
Coinage went out the window

The Prog Fascists never rest


31 posted on 04/07/2019 2:48:13 PM PDT by Macoozie (Handcuffs and Orange Jumpsuits)
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To: NobleFree

In ‘92 when Clinton won with less than 50% of the popular vote the Ministry of Truth blathered on and on about how wonderful the Electoral College was because “it magnified and legitimized his victory”.


32 posted on 04/07/2019 2:55:31 PM PDT by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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To: Jim Noble

The founders went to great lengths to ensure that shenanigans would not succeed in upsetting the republican structure of our government. They knew that some would try. Amazing how prescient they were.


33 posted on 04/07/2019 2:56:20 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: yoe

There’s more to it than this. The electoral college prevented states like California from stealing the election with illegal votes. Eliminate it, and those states will be able to use fraud and illegal votes to win at the national level, rather than just at the state level.


34 posted on 04/07/2019 3:07:07 PM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (Prayers for our country and President Trump)
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To: NobleFree

JEFFERSON ON CITIES & NEED FOR ELECTORAL COLLEGE TO
OFFSET THE INSANITY & LIBERALISM OF THE CITIES!
6 MINUTE VIDEO
https://www.brighteon.com/5841966834001


35 posted on 04/07/2019 3:29:59 PM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: NobleFree

I can tell you forthright, if the mob of newyaklostangelsminesotastan wishes to lord over cajun empire, they’s gonns have presents of gator carcasses enuf fer a year!


36 posted on 04/07/2019 3:47:31 PM PDT by Terry L Smith (.)
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To: NobleFree

So when does this get challenged in the courts — after the election? Would be a disaster.


37 posted on 04/07/2019 5:03:22 PM PDT by nicollo (I said no!)
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So when does this get challenged in the courts

It's probably not justiciable until it actually takes effect, which is when the signatories represent a majority of electoral votes.

38 posted on 04/07/2019 5:12:35 PM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: NobleFree

Thats the way I feel. After all, they did do a whole lot of above ground tests back in the day.


39 posted on 04/07/2019 5:58:36 PM PDT by crz
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To: NobleFree
If too many individual purple states (if it happened in a red state that would be surprising) each changed their laws to allocate electors based on the national popular vote that would be very dangerous. And they would not need a US Constitutional amendment to do it.
40 posted on 04/08/2019 8:15:48 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Mozart tells you what it's like to be human. Bach tells you what it's like to be the universe)
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