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Can The Holocaust Be Forgiven?
Townhall.com ^ | April 15, 2019 | Michael Brown

Posted on 04/15/2019 5:52:50 AM PDT by Kaslin

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1 posted on 04/15/2019 5:52:50 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Who is there left to forgive?


2 posted on 04/15/2019 5:56:11 AM PDT by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: Kaslin

We must forgive as if we hold onto anger we are only harming ourselves.

However, forgiveness does not mean that we become stupid and vulnerable to allowing the experience to happen again.


3 posted on 04/15/2019 5:56:44 AM PDT by tired&retired (Blessings)
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To: Kaslin

Didn’t God forgive Israel of its sins when he allowed them to return to Jerusalem after the exile?


4 posted on 04/15/2019 5:58:11 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: Kaslin

If we lived by the rule of an “Eye for an Eye,” pretty soon the entire world would be blind.


5 posted on 04/15/2019 5:58:14 AM PDT by tired&retired (Blessings)
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To: Kaslin

“Those who forget their past are sentenced to having no future”

Yes, exactly, and OUR past is now being obliterated, right as we’re being invaded.

22 trillion in debt
Over 3,000 invaders cross our border EVERY night

Do we really need an Iranian War, a war belonging to a sandy country half way across the globe..?

We would finish up like the UK at the end of WW2; bankrupt, bereft of international influence, totally filled up with foreigners, barely able to defend herself, to say nothing of tilting at windmills.

They are putting the pieces in place.

NEVER FORGET applies to US, too, ya know.


6 posted on 04/15/2019 5:58:32 AM PDT by gaijin
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Israel wants us to start a war with Iran like Churchill wanted us to fight Hitler.


7 posted on 04/15/2019 6:01:59 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

YUP..!

There WAS a clear winner in Gulf War 1 and 2.

And it was NOT the USA.

People will make the case that it was Iran, and that’s a pretty good case.

But there was an even BIGGER winner and boy, they ain’t stupid, that’s for sure.


8 posted on 04/15/2019 6:03:40 AM PDT by gaijin
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To: Kaslin

No, never.

And any politician perpetrating genocide in fact, shall be banished from the face of this earth.

Forgiveness would eventually allow genocide to happen repeatedly.


9 posted on 04/15/2019 6:06:36 AM PDT by Candor7 ((Obama Fascism)http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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And any politician perpetrating genocide in fact, shall be banished from the face of this earth.

Or gushingly feted on Twitter, as long as the victims are honkies.

10 posted on 04/15/2019 6:08:43 AM PDT by gaijin
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To: Kaslin
Is there a difference, then, between forgiving and forgetting?

Yep - forgiveness is an internal device that keeps us from stewing in the bile of continued antipathy....

Like the lady who had her friend helping her with a guest list for a party she was throwing. Her friend looked the list over and exclaimed, "I see Jane is on your list, she needs to be dropped because of what she did to you a few years ago. Her name here must be a mistake."
The lady said, "Jane stays on the list - it wasn't an oversight or mistake that she's there."
Her friend said, But, don't you remember what she did to you?"
The lady said, "Of course I remember it. I also distinctly remember forgetting it."

"Forgetting" isn't always forgetting as part of the forgiveness process..it is a conscious decision to allow one to get on with life...if one is ma mature enough adult to pull it off.

11 posted on 04/15/2019 6:09:22 AM PDT by trebb (Don't howl about illegal leeches while not donating to FR - it's hypocritical.)
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To: Kaslin

Murder by definition cannot be forgiven in human terms. The victim isn’t alive any more to extend forgiveness.


12 posted on 04/15/2019 6:10:44 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey.")
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13 posted on 04/15/2019 6:12:26 AM PDT by gaijin
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“If we lived by the rule of an “Eye for an Eye,” pretty soon the entire world would be blind.”

Boy, talk about not getting it. “Eye for an eye” was a limitation on punishment. No more than an eye for an eye. No more than a tooth for a tooth. Don’t knock out teeth or poke out eyes and you’ve got nothing to worry about.

Geez.

L


14 posted on 04/15/2019 6:16:12 AM PDT by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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To: Kaslin
delaying the judgment they were due (see 1 Kings 21:27-29; 2 Chronicles 33:10-17). They were responsible for many deaths, yet God postponed their punishment.

If you read the 2 chapters in total, it becomes a lot more clear what delayed punishment meant. They were both in fact judged for their actions.

15 posted on 04/15/2019 6:18:13 AM PDT by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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To: Kaslin
the Holocaust could be forgiven but not forgotten.

In a rational world, forgiveness must be earned. Is there a sincere apology with restitution to the victims? Does the guilty party demonstrate through word and deed that he understands the roots of his immoral behavior and accept full responsibility, and that his character is reformed enough to guarantee that he will never repeat the offenses?

16 posted on 04/15/2019 6:19:34 AM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: Kaslin
Are the millions still dead?
Can the horror be undone?
Is the loss to the victims still permanent?
THEN NO!

Is slavery forgiven or forgotten? Well, then, if you can start with recent events, like daily murders and crime that ruin lives then you can talk about crimes that stain the history of humanity.

No! It's for God almighty to forgive,if He has. I would not presume.
17 posted on 04/15/2019 6:20:04 AM PDT by ClearBlueSky (ISLAM is the problem. ISLAM is the enemy of civilization.)
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To: Kaslin
What is forgiveness?
Maybe God has the ability to forgive unconditionally but that's a lot to ask of ordinary humans.
Some thing are hard to forgive.
Forgiving anything from personal slights to genocide, it's not the same thing.
Just because I forgive does not imply I think it was OK.
I can easily forgive a minor slight.
I can forgive an injury if it does not happen again.
I can maybe forgive abuse if the abuser apologizes and stops abusing.
Do I have to love my abuser after forgiving him or is it OK keep a distance.
Am I supposed to trust again.
What if my abuser does not apologize, admits to nothing and thinks I'm being ridiculous and overreacting?
Am I supposed forgive when my abuser is dead and gone, even when I still hurt?
If I forgive just to put it behind me, because my resentment is eating my insides like acid, is that really forgiveness?
Should I forgive crime when the perp is still free.
Do I have the right to forgive on someone else's behalf?
Is it even possible to forgive genocide?
After how many generations?

Forgiveness is not a trivial subject. Discussion?

18 posted on 04/15/2019 6:32:50 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (I'd rather have Unequal Wealth than Equal Poverty.)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

True, except Hitler was at least making the public charade of a desire to live and get along with the rest of the world to at least try to convince the sheep that is what he wanted even as he prepared to conquer everyone. Fortunately for us, Chuchill wasn’t a sheep (like Chamberlain) and saw right through it.

Iran makes no such pretense, no dog and pony show. Hitler didn’t have his people in the streets shouting “Death to England! Death to America!”

And while many people still had little notion in 1936 of what it would be like to live under a Nazi regime, one doesn’t have to dig too hard to figure out what life under a Caliphate would look like for the rest of the world.

I don’t doubt for a second Israel wants us to start a war with Iran. Surrounded by their enemies, they see the writing on the wall. They know that eventually it is going to come down to the Muslims or the Jews over there in Israel.


19 posted on 04/15/2019 6:34:26 AM PDT by rlmorel (Leftists: Can't control their emotions. Can't control their actions. Deny them control of anything.)
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Dunno?....can we forgive the Mongols?
.....the Assyrians on a per capital basis beat the Nazis!

We seem to be doing alright forgiving the Chinese Mao piled up more bodies then Hitler!

How about the Cambodians? Again on a per capital basis they beat Hitler? ...

The Russians...there was that Stalin guy!

Stupid article!


20 posted on 04/15/2019 6:41:41 AM PDT by Reily
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