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Turns Out, Trump Didn’t Give Up On Counting Both Legal And Illegal US Residents
Hotair ^ | 07/12/2019 | Andrew Malcolm

Posted on 07/12/2019 10:53:48 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: SeekAndFind

Since Elizabeth Warren might become President and impose direct wealth taxation, the US government also needs to know the total number of inhabitants of each state.


21 posted on 07/12/2019 12:04:37 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: indthkr

“Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States...

“Section 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed.”

In theory, Amendment XIV might require perfect accuracy, which is impractical.


22 posted on 07/12/2019 12:08:26 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: Brian Griffin

“apportion electoral votes as the census does?”

Amendment XIV seems to require an actual counting for apportionment.

The federal government probably could figure out from government records and cell phone company data, to about .01% accuracy, how many citizens are in any given state at 3am in the morning.


23 posted on 07/12/2019 12:12:57 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: SeekAndFind

I think POTUS has been masterful at having this theme change at least once a day, this whole week. The MSM is tired of going after the issue, always being “out-scooped” by someone else. If he changes his tune on this every few hours, no one will know how it ends up. Very shrewd, and rather entertaining, IMHO.


24 posted on 07/12/2019 12:15:39 PM PDT by NEMDF
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To: SeekAndFind

The federal government could figure out how many illegals over age 5 are in this country by also using cell phone company and school records.

Almost all working age ilicitos probably have a cell phone on them.


25 posted on 07/12/2019 12:17:17 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: monkeyshine

Do your research, the answer should take you about 5 minutes

Hint: Census and use for apportioning congressional seats


26 posted on 07/12/2019 12:18:20 PM PDT by 100American (Knowledge is knowing how, Wisdom is knowing when)
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To: SeekAndFind

The Constitution requires the census/enumeration be done according to laws set by Congress.

Do these laws allow for Trump’s methods? I do not know.


27 posted on 07/12/2019 12:19:49 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: SeekAndFind

The best way is to have people attach proof of citizenship to their forms.


28 posted on 07/12/2019 12:21:17 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: 100American

I am so grateful that you didn’t post the answer question. Because those of us who are busy will have time to look it up next week and you would have denied us that delayed pleasure


29 posted on 07/12/2019 12:22:07 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle ( The Great Wall of Trump ---- 100% sealing of the border. Coming soon.)
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To: gr8eman

Makes too much sense I can’t see it happening :)


30 posted on 07/12/2019 12:25:22 PM PDT by George Rand (-- I can't befriend liberals because I won't befriend ignorance --)
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To: TLI

In Virginia, at least 90% of the people not speaking English are illegal aliens.


31 posted on 07/12/2019 12:50:46 PM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents_Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: A_perfect_lady

Don’t feel bad...I didn’t either.


32 posted on 07/12/2019 1:01:52 PM PDT by mass55th ("Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway." ~~ John Wayne)
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To: SeekAndFind

And the good part is that there shouldn’t be any lawsuits challenging this order, because the President has every right to order the Federal departments he is head of, to provide him with information upon request. And the information he is requesting isn’t of an illegal nature.


33 posted on 07/12/2019 1:03:59 PM PDT by mass55th ("Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway." ~~ John Wayne)
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To: Eurotwit
Trump did say in the press conference that the official 2020 census would include the data gathered as a result of this Executive Order combined with the results of the questionnaire in order to affect representation in congress as well as districting. At least it sounds like it?

If so, it will result in more illegals being counted for apportionment.

34 posted on 07/12/2019 1:06:38 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: gr8eman
The data can be used so only citizens will receive census forms.

Which would be illegal.

35 posted on 07/12/2019 1:07:52 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Nicojones
Under the Apportionment of Representatives and taxes section, it states that “Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.

No longer in force; amended by section 2 of the 14th Amendment, which says apportionment is based on "the whole number of persons."

36 posted on 07/12/2019 1:10:15 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Lurking Libertarian

How so?


37 posted on 07/12/2019 1:17:24 PM PDT by gr8eman (Only the mediocre are always at their best)
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To: monkeyshine

One thing we will find out IS how many illegals are in low income housing, also collecting food stamps, and welfare, how much WE are spending on their medical care ALL departments in government will be reporting to commerce, the VERY STUPID Dems are going to be wishing they just agreed to the question on the census!! Once Trump has ALL of this information KATY BAR THE DOOR, he will take to twitter AND the American taxpayer WILL BE PISSED to find out just how much they are spending on these invaders, ALSO this is going to be a much more accurate number of HOW MANY illegals are actually here!!! Many of them would lie on the form or just skip the question this way we have an accurate count!!! When the American citizens find out how many millions are REALLY HERE it won’t be pretty for the Dems!!!


38 posted on 07/12/2019 1:19:55 PM PDT by Trump Girl Kit Cat (Yosemite Sam raising hell)
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To: gr8eman
How so?

Because by statute, and under the Constitution (14th Amendment, section 2), the Census must count all "persons" in the United States, not just citizens.

39 posted on 07/12/2019 1:39:40 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Lurking Libertarian

There was an Amendment, not a replacement. However, You left out the remainder of the 14th Amendment, Section 2, , which States “...the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such state.”

It further supports Trump’s plan and the need for the citizenship information as i laid out in my prior post.


40 posted on 07/12/2019 1:50:38 PM PDT by Nicojones
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