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Trump grew weary of Bolton’s push for military force against Venezuela
McClatchy News Service ^ | Sept 11 2019 | MICHAEL WILNER

Posted on 09/13/2019 7:30:36 PM PDT by rintintin

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To: Pox
Venezuela voted themselves into this mess.

The elections have been rigged there for years and the masses have been disarmed.

21 posted on 09/13/2019 8:25:46 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: going hot
They made their bed.

Just a dumb statement given that elections have been rigged there for multiple election cycles and the people have no access to firearms.

Any conservative should be behind people seeking freedom from left-wing oppression.

22 posted on 09/13/2019 8:27:20 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: blackdog
A military invasion of any country in this century which cannot make it’s own toilet paper should be dismissed as unnecessary.

Exactly! Venezuela's present existence it its own punishment.

23 posted on 09/13/2019 8:27:26 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (“They are openly stating that they intend to murder you. Prep if you want to live.”)
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To: MrEdd
Bolton is the male Janet Reno.

Wanting freedom for people suffering under left-wing regime is the equivalent of sending a child back suffer under a left-wing regime?

24 posted on 09/13/2019 8:28:54 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: Kazan

Fact is, they voted in comrade Chavez. Once that happened, all that follows was the direct result of that decision.

Too bad.

Hoping it doesn’t happen here.


25 posted on 09/13/2019 8:29:10 PM PDT by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: Kazan
So, how did they get to where they are?

And, more important, do they have the will to get out?

Third, why should we shed blood for them?

Fourth, a conservative can wish for another to be free of the yoke of govt, but throwing out treasure and blood to another country that got them selves into the mess in the first place is a tall order, we have been doing it for a long time.

I say again, they made their bed.

If they want out, if they want freedom, if they want self determination, they need to be prepared to die fighting for it, or the opposition will prevail.

Every time.

26 posted on 09/13/2019 8:34:09 PM PDT by going hot (happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: Kazan

Neither one of them ever saw any problem they didn’t think was best solved by more and bigger guns.

And neither one of them ever considered the long term downsides of their methodology, nor whether it was even vaguely possible to achieve anything positive with their approach.


28 posted on 09/13/2019 8:36:06 PM PDT by MrEdd (Caveat Emptor)
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To: Kazan

I do not believe that our troops (trannies aside, that’s why Obama wanted them) would fire on the American citizenry. We need them stateside right now.

Anyone who doesn’t understand that is devoid of basic human intellect.


30 posted on 09/13/2019 8:42:28 PM PDT by MrEdd (Caveat Emptor)
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To: lee martell

I am overjoyed that Trump understood he was in some important part elected because he was NOT a war-monger of the sort that typified the likes of Bolton, or, say, John McCain. NOW, the war-mongering has fallen on the Dem Party, and they’re shadow-boxing and rattling their imaginary sabers, which is exactly what I figured was the PRIME reason Trump engaged Bolton in the first place. I knew he would not take Bolton’s advice. And Trump knows any real foray into any kind of military adventurism that EVERY President, Clinton and Obama included, in the last 40 years has found irresistible 2 1/2 years into their first term, would fatally affect his chances at re-election. I hope he does what’s now called the “Kissinger Option”, and hope that Pompeo is no Kissinger. Otherwise, all bets are off.


31 posted on 09/13/2019 8:43:21 PM PDT by supremedoctrine
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To: Leaning Right

“” “” Wait, what? Bolton wanted to use military force against Venezuela? How in the world is Venezuela a threat to the United States? “” “”

Current international situation provoked by neocons over last two decades is asking for a second Cuban Missile Crisis this time in Venezuela.
Military means weren’t a solution at the time, much less now.
Bolton fakely poses himself as a protector of Monroe’s Doctrine to earn brownie points with neocon crowd in spite of Trump.
The problem with these dimwits is they only remember half of Monroe’s Doctrine and made it absolete overall by their own actions.


32 posted on 09/13/2019 8:45:16 PM PDT by NorseViking
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To: rintintin

“according to current and former administration officials.”

quintessential fake “news” based on anonymous rumors ... but in this case, it actually sounds believable for a change ...


33 posted on 09/13/2019 8:52:00 PM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: PittsburghAfterDark

“100% against military action, not our job to fix.”

President Trump and myself agree ...


34 posted on 09/13/2019 8:53:31 PM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: rintintin

here’s a working link:

https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article234982442.html


35 posted on 09/13/2019 8:55:13 PM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: NorseViking

> The problem with these dimwits is they only remember half of Monroe’s Doctrine and made it obsolete overall by their own actions. <

You are so right! The Monroe Doctrine has two parts. One part warned the Old World not to interfere in the Americas. And in turn the United States promised not to interfere in the Old World. Our bases pretty much everywhere nullifies the whole thing.

I’m not saying that US bases everywhere is necessarily a bad idea. But someone who believes in a US presence everywhere shouldn’t go whining about any Monroe Doctrine violation.


36 posted on 09/13/2019 8:56:37 PM PDT by Leaning Right (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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To: rintintin
I'm in favor of sending camera crews to Venezuela to record horror stores about why Socialism sucks...
37 posted on 09/13/2019 8:59:18 PM PDT by GOPJ (I saw a movie about governments and weaponless people - - Schindler's List...freeper Chickensoup)
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To: rintintin

What kind of an idiot would want us involved in Venezuela?
Bolton, Bush and Rove.
Slep, Moe and Curly


38 posted on 09/13/2019 9:00:19 PM PDT by Zathras
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To: Leaning Right

The difference with the Cuban Missile Crisis is there were serious men in charge of the situation on both sides.
Now there are jingoistic hawkish former dope smoking hippies.


39 posted on 09/13/2019 9:07:27 PM PDT by NorseViking
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To: GOPJ

A move like that would kill many birds.


40 posted on 09/13/2019 9:08:18 PM PDT by going hot (happiness is a momma deuce)
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