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Religion of Peace (ROP) ^ | Sept 10, 2019 | Hollie McKay

[grania]

re: Afghanistan. It never made sense. We were at fault for letting Saudis illegally stay in the US. It would've made more sense to be more careful about who was in the US than to get involved in Afghanistan.

Now, why not let the Taliban have it? We're supporting a corrupt gov and paying off lots of people to be our friends. I care less about them than innocent victims of our warmongering ways.

[Kazan]

Huh? We had to go to Afghanistan after 9/11. Who in their right mind would think that we didn't need to bring those responsible for 9/11 to justice?

We WON the war in Afghanistan long ago -- we removed the Taliban from power, installed a US friendly government, killed Osama Bin Laden and killed or arrested most of the Al Qaeda leadership responsible for 9/11.

We remain there as we should to have a base operation against Islamic terroris, which paid off today as we killed Bin Laden's son. Great news.

Ignoring Islamic terrorist groups like Bill Clinton did will simply lead to another 9/11. It's utterly moronic idea and certainly not what Donald Trump ran on.

If leave Afghanistan, the same thing will happened that happened in Iraq -- Al Qaeda and Taliban will takeover and start plotting acts of terrorism against the US and we'll have to go back and destroy them all over again.

[grania]

No, we didn't have to go into Afghanistan. We had to keep Saudis out of the US. Keep in mind Obama was hiding out in Pakistan, a country we were allied with.

Our foreign policy is so messed up.

[Kazan]

What? We're supposed to ignore what happened on 9/11? Do you have Alzheimer's? The Taliban was protecting Bin Laden and Al Qaeda.

It was absolutely essential to our national that we destroyed Al Qaeda.

You're literally backing Bill Clinton's foreign policy of ignoring Islamic terrorism. Talk about pre-9/11 mentality

[grania]

I’m not ignoring 911. I’m remembering that it was Saudi nationals who performed the attack and that Obama was a Saudi. We’ve destabilized a lot of Mideast countries that kept radicals in line and we’ve made a whole lot of enemies. And still, Saudi Arabia is never held accountable for anything.

[Kazan]

We've never destabilized Saudi Arabia. In fact, we protected it from Saddam. Yet, Bin Laden still hated us from entering Saudi.

There is no appeasing Islamic radicals. Fundamentalist Muslims hate anything that isn't Muslim and have sought to conquer the world since the inception of Islam.

[robowombat]

Obama was a Saudi

Now that is a new one. An agent of the Islamacist and anti-western members of the ruling family , yes. That grotesquely fat Prince Tawil got him into Harvard Law and paid his fees. But BHO a Saudi, that is new.

[grania]

I never said we destabilized Saudi Arabia. We destabilized all of their enemies. I don’t see Israel as their enemy; both countries benefit from our regime change choices.

[robowombat]

Yes, that is the corollary to reducing radically the global footprint of the United States. To do so would mean some rather unpleasant events would take place in a number of countries. To embrace a continental-nationalist foreign and defense policy would also require the United states to be will to act with real ruthless dispatch against any international actor that is a real threat to the nation or who perpetrates any attack on the US. Such a policy would also require a really powerful US military establishment that would be configured to stand guard over the US sphere. Admiral Mahan posited before 1914 that this was North America, the Caribbean and Central America and South America to a line from the mouth of the Amazon straight across to the Pacific. In the pacific the line stretches from the tip of the Seward Peninsula of Alaska south to the Hawaiian Islands and then south to the junction with the South America boundary. He also included Guam and the Philippines as US possessions but not vital to the US. I would include Guam and the North Marianas and a several hundred mile circle around them and Midway and Wake Islands and Johnston Island a thousand miles south of Hawaii. A US heavily armed with its military focuses on being professional military people, not managers, or the Salvation Army with guns or ‘nation builders’ behind the hedge of two wide oceans and, something Admiral Mahan did not figure into, the absolute strongest power in the exo-atmosphere and Outer Space is a not unappealing thought. It will never come to this as there are too many interests tied into our current globalist system. Too bad, in my opinion. The USA should not be the world's peace keeper. The turmoil and uproar in much of the world is of the ‘woes of less happy and lesser lands’, not ours.

[Kazan]

The USA should not be the world's peace keeper.

The US should and had been under great Presidents like Reagan promote freedom, capitalism and human rights and remain the shining city on the hill Reagan referenced.

That doesn't mean using our military to accomplish that but it does mean using our influence to promote all those things. That is truly one of the things that made us the greatest nation on earth and, oddly, it was something both the left and right agreed with.

[robowombat]

Your first sentence makes me ill. I am not being wise. The whole Wilsonian, collective security and ‘make the world safe for democracy’ mindset is toxic to real US national interests. Ronald Reagan did effectively marshal this sort of propagandistic smoke screen, But the Cold War was fought against communism, not to spread what certain Americans believe is ‘the Democratic way’ around the world. Iraq and Afghanistan are both great examples of what comes from attempting to be a global nanny and hall monitor in what amounts to Bedford-Stuy. The hall monitor gets mugged, at the least. Throughout the world there are cultures that have developed over millennia in very idiosyncratic ways. Trying to turn Baghdad or Kabul or Lima or Cairo, for that matter into Des Moines is both the height of hubris and grossly offensive to the ‘others’ no matter what we think about their social orders. In other words , unless there is a real threat to vital US interests let the foreigners settle their differences in their way. Homo Sapient have been screwed up in different ways since we were running about on the Savannah. They always will be. Leave the foreigners to their own devices , unless they live within what is our sphere of interest. Then let them be as screwed up as they choose as long as they do what we want.

The logical consequence of American universalism is what we have today. The Marine Corps and Army have become the tools of foreign policy in places we have no on going interests and the US southern border continues to be porous and only if DJT gets another term will we be kept from becoming North Mexico. Normal Americans who join the military to defend our country get to go to some sewer such as Iraq to engage in ‘nation building’ while the locals devote themselves to fanaticism and trying to kill as many Americans as possible while the political elites connive at letting hordes of illegals into help them subvert what America was supposed to be. A country where if you obeyed the law you were pretty much free to pursue your life , well sort of anyway. People such as the Bush family constantly intones this sanctimonious BS (read GWB’s Second Inaugural Address for a pitch perfect rendition of this poisonous nonsense).

Finally the rhetorical device of the ‘shining city on a hill’ trope meant exactly the opposite from what the Puritans such as John Winthrop meant by it. The Puritans saw themselves as the ‘elect’ who strove for ‘purity’. They came from England to get away from all the ‘impure’ people . They looked upon their towns as little shining centers of righteousness and wanted no part of the ‘impure’ rabble to pollute their holy presences. In other words the Puritans wanted nothing to do with anyone else. They proved to their own satisfaction that the Indians, who certainly were there first, were Satan's imps. I really wish American political tub thumpers would cease using that platitude. But it is great sucker bait, so they never will.