Iran Fired Cruise Missiles In Attack On Saudi Oil facility: Senior US Official

ABC News ^ | 09/15/19

[Oldeconomybuyer]

I’m not buying this.

[ballplayer]

With all of our satellites,assets in the region and we are waiting for Saudi Arabia to tell us what happened?
So if Iran fired cruise missiles at our ships or troops or bases in the middle East we would ask Saudi Arabia,or Israel what happened? Something is not right here folks

[mewzilla]

Here’s a question: If Iran attacked the Saudis, why is the EU still part of INSTEX...?

[mewzilla]

Pard, there’s a whole lot not right here. :-)

All of which argues for the US keeping its powder dry.

[thingumbob]

It's global dominoes.

Think: the gas crisis in the early and the late 70's

I'm thinking its more about petro dollars and sinking the economy to prevent Trump from getting re-elected.

Ask yourself what happens when gas prices are too high? Think about: manufacturing and transportation of all goods and how high priced gas effects the price of goods and who pays those increases in cost when they make purchases.

People always change their willingness to spend when prices go up and that SLOWS the economy too.

Just my opinion.

[Zhang Fei]

[IMO, when all else fails follow the money. Almost immediately, after the incident, there was reporting of oil shortage and price increases.]

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Iran benefits greatly from damaging the Saudi economy. That’s a great place to start. We bombed German cities because it destroyed German production capacity, thereby weakening the country. Al Qaeda staged the 9/11 attack using Saudi hijackers hoping that this would (1) collapse the US economy and (2) trigger an attack on the Saudi royals. From al Qaeda’s standpoint, the virtue of (1) is obvious. But (2) is also not particularly surprising. Middle Easterners have never recognized a divine right of kings, even before Islam. They’ll pay lip service to the current occupant of the throne, but the general philosophy is who dares wins. For bin Laden to scheme against the Saudi royals, hoping that an American invasion would turf them, after which a Saudi insurgency with him at its head would evict the US and crown him king was squarely within the region’s fairly ruthless traditions, going back way before Islam.

Marcus Crassus, Julius Caesar’s comrade-in-arms, was defeated by the Parthian general Surena. King Orodes II, Surena’s boss, had Surena killed because he feared that a general skilled enough to wipe out a Roman force several times his own force was also skilled enough to make himself king. After all, Surena was also responsible for Orodes’s ascent to the throne - he was Orodes’s backer in a war of succession. Orodes ended up being killed by his own son.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surena
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orodes_II#Second_war_against_the_Romans

[Uncle Miltie]

Where would they get the cruise missiles?

Iran copied a Russian cruiae missile design. See here:

https://www.businessinsider.com/irans-hoveizeh-and-soumar-missiles-copy-soviet-nuclear-capable-kh-55-2019-2?op=1

It is hard to keep up with debunking the conspiracy junk from the willfully uninformed. Do some research, people.

[Netz]

This is an act of war if true. Boy, the Saudis need the Israelis now more than ever. Reality stranger than fiction in this case.

[Enlightened1]

We only get 10% of our oil from the Middle East now, and we are the world’s number 1 exporter.

Both Iran and Saudi Arabia do not like the U.S. because we are not Muslim society.

Saudi Arabia will talk to us though, and use our military might for their wars.

Right now our borders are getting flooded. Our National Debt is at an all time high. We have spent over 1 Trillion dollars in Afghanistan. Our country is going broke. It is Cloward–Piven strategy of financially breaking us is working.

The last thing we need is another Trillion dollar war that does not get us anywhere.

I am all for quick and devastating hits though. To scare the crap out of our enemies.

A long endless ground war is not the answer. Well according to the late McCain it should last around 100 years. This is what the Roman Empire did before it fell. Lets not make the same mistakes.

[Netz]

The Iranians are at war with Saudi Arabia, the West, etc. since 1979.

Sunna Islam (Saudi Arabia) versus Shia Islam (Iran).

The Houti rebels in Yemen are supported by Iran and have, to date, launched SCUD missiles into Saudi Arabia.
Why would an Iranian attack be so improbable?

[rdcbn]

Iran produces two types of cruise missiles

The first is a reverse engineered copy of 5 Russian Cold War era nuclear tipped Iran somehow smuggled out of the Ukraine in the 2001 time frame

The Russian missiles were inert models used for training technicians but were otherwise fully functional -including the nuclear warhead

Iran has also reverse engineered the Lockheed RQ 170 drone given to them by Barak Obama and now has converted a production variant of it into a very effective nuclear capable stealth cruise missile

Iran recently launched one into Israeli air space and Israel had significant difficulty shooting it down due to stealth capabilities

[Netz]

You do not understand how the Persian/Arab mind works.

[mewzilla]

This is an act of war if true.

A) That's a BIG if.

B) Even if true, it's not an act of war against the US.

C) It's only our problem if we make it so and, at the moment, I don't see the need.

:-)

[Uncle Miltie]

“Why would Iran attack with cruise missiles and then deny it? What would they gain from this? “

Really? You can’t think your way out of that paper bag?

Denial? To avoid a counterstrike. To make us show our capabilities of tracking them when we prove it.

What gain? Sunni v. Shia multi century warfare without end; this is just a slightly different battlefield. Regional hegemony by weakening Saudi. Higher oil prices for the little Iran can still manage to export.

Come on folks, have another cup of coffee before posting.

[ryderann]

“This is what the Roman Empire did before it fell. Lets not make the same mistakes.’

For sure. And don’t forget what the Soviets’ long war in Afghanistan did to them.

[Zhang Fei]

[Where would they get the cruise missiles?

Their economy is in freefall, their oil is restricted, their people are in turmoil. And somehow a dozen cruise missiles appear out of nowhere to make a strike.

Yes, anti-Trump bad actors need a war to distract and stop the takedown of their network.]

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The North Korean economy is in far worse shape than Iran’s - people are actually starving to death in North Korea. And yet the country has come up with ballistic missile mounted nukes. Note that the Iranians have fired hundreds of ballistic missiles at Saudi Arabia from Yemen at a cost of about $1m per missile. Iran is not a sub-Saharan country. It is a fairly significant power with a population of 80m people, that held off an Iraq funded by the wealth of the combined Gulf kingdoms for almost a decade, during the Iran-Iraq war. It cannot defeat the US in conventional battle. But it could probably unify the Middle East under its rule in fairly short order.

[Enlightened1]

President Trump tweeted about it when it happened. I remember hearing and reading about it.

Here is an article about it when it happened.

https://money.cnn.com/2018/09/12/investing/us-oil-production-russia-saudi-arabia/index.html

and here is an article from 4 days ago.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/12/oil-us-closing-in-on-saudi-arabia-to-become-the-worlds-top-exporter-iea-says.html

Here is a quote,

“As a result of the shale boom, the US is the world’s largest oil producer, with output expected to average 12.4 million barrels a day this year and 13.3 million barrels a day in 2020. Likewise, America is the world’s largest producer of natural gas, producing an average of 91.3 billion cubic feet of LNG a day this year and 92.7 billion cubic feet a day in 2020.”

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/09/perspectives/trump-oil-markets-opec/index.html

Here is NPR last month trying to give credit to Obama (yeah right after he shut down all oil drilling in the Gulf).

https://www.npr.org/2019/08/13/750528826/energy-boom-that-trump-celebrates-began-years-before-he-took-office

[Enlightened1]

Bingo!

You got it!

[blitz88]

Really?, well lets start with who are Iran’s allies, then how about the billions the Obama administration gave them and lastly I notice that NK which has been in an economic free-fall for decades has plenty of missiles to launch. Not sure what happened but regimes like this cuba venezuala, iran always have money for weapons

[Alberta's Child]

If you can find it online, look for a video of John Bolton's speech in 2017 to a group of Iranian exiles known as MEK. The English translation of their name is the “People’s Mojahedin of Iran,” and they were actually considered a TERRORIST GROUP by the U.S. government until 2012.

One big problem we face right now is that our government is filled with war-mongering globalists who have been bought and owned by foreign interests for years. They own our government and they disseminate plenty of propaganda to serve their purposes.