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[centurion316]

How is it that when you use a pair of binoculars, a zoom camera or a telescope as you see an object "go over the curve" with your naked eye it suddenly comes back into view with the aid of such devices?

Not true. Let's go back to 300 years ago, 1720. Back then, illiterate mariners knew that when you perceived an object on the horizon, you could first make out the topgallant masts and sails, but not the deck of a ship. Using a telescope would make the image larger, but you still couldn't see the deck. By climbing up to the crow's nest, you might be able to make out the topmast and sails, but still not the deck. Once again, a telescope would enlarge the image, but was unable to see beyond the horizon. Your statement takes human understanding back to at least to the Bronze Age when Greek and Phoenicians mariners knew this even though that they did not have telescopes. A perfect demostration of idiocracy in action.

[Does so]

I should mention that Columbus’ generational ships were tall ships, and could see other tall ships approaching—topgallant and sky sails first.

[philman_36]

How about a tanker ship? Is that big enough?

Nikon CoolPix P900 Zoom Test Beach to Cargo Ship1

Kind of blows your assertion out of the water, doesn't it.

[philman_36]

Using a telescope would make the image larger, but you still couldn't see the deck.
Snicker...perhaps you meant to say the telescope brought the object into closer view. I don't know of any telescope that makes an object "larger".

Once again, a telescope would enlarge the image, but was unable to see beyond the horizon.

You're still dealing with perspective. Even a telescope, like the eye, has limits.
A stronger telescope (10x vs 5x for example) could have given a more enhanced view of objects further away.

[philman_36]

How is it that when you use a pair of binoculars, a zoom camera or a telescope as you see an object "go over the curve" with your naked eye it suddenly comes back into view with the aid of such devices?

Besides, your explanation doesn't explain how objects which are "over the horizon" and that we can't see with our naked eye because of our limited eyesight, clearly become visible when using a viewing aid.

By your understanding they should never be capable of being brought into view because of the curvature yet they are viewable when using a strong zooming object.

[centurion316]

I’m sorry that you missed high school physics and geography, but you can circle back and find courses on line. Good luck.

[philman_36]

I should mention that Columbus’ generational ships were tall ships, and could see other tall ships approaching—topgallant and sky sails first.

Do you see the nose of a train engine before you see the wheels as the train comes down the track towards you?

[philman_36]

I’m sorry that you missed high school physics and geography, but you can circle back and find courses on line. Good luck.

I’m sorry that you missed high school biology and art class, but you can circle back and find courses on line. Good luck.

[wardaddy]

I’ve sat in a few bosuns chairs hoisted and sat in captains chair albeit Honduran licensed on the bridge

I didn’t see it

But my eyes are bad

[philman_36]

I should mention that Columbus’ generational ships were tall ships, and could see other tall ships approaching—topgallant and sky sails first.

But you're just plain wrong in your assertion.

The Ships of Christopher Columbus Were Sleek, Fast—and Cramped

Two of the ships, the Niña and Pinta, were tiny by today’s standards—only 50 to 70 feet from bow to stern—but prized for their speed and maneuverability. The Santa Maria, Columbus’s flagship, was a larger, heavier cargo ship. Snip... Small caravels like the Niña and Pinta could only carry between 40 and 50 tons and were crewed by fewer than 30 sailors each. As for the sails... For Columbus’s maiden journey, he used a Spanish update to the caravel known as the caravela redonda, a three-masted ship where the first two masts were rigged with conventional square sails for open-ocean speed, and a third was rigged with a lateen sail for coastal maneuverability.
Just to give you some scale for comparison.

It's amazing how the things we think we know to be true often aren't.

[philman_36]

Tour the Nina, Pinta, and (not the) Santa Maria!

Note the size of the visitors on this...ahem...tall ship.

[samtheman]

Mt. McKinley is a lot higher than 5,000 feet. Why didn’t he just go up there?

[Does so]

I would see the nose of the train first—coming or going.

I used “generational” to infer the eventual advent of square-riggers that would carry topgallant, royal- and sky-sails.

Columbus probably already knew of the earth’s roundness from personal experience at the masthead. He and his crew would see an approaching ship’s masthead before seeing the deck, as stated previously.

[Does so]

Credit due centurion316.

[SunkenCiv]

I've not slandered you, I've pointed out the fact that the Flat Earth is an absurdity. There is no evidence in support of it, but true believers are utterly untroubled by that lack.

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks laplata.

[philman_36]

He and his crew would see an approaching ship’s masthead before seeing the deck, as stated previously.

As would any human, but such an observation would be due to the limitations of the human eye and perspective, not from curvature.
As is evidenced by videos up thread, a stronger zooming instrument would have allowed them to see the deck.

[Pelham]

OK boomer.

[laplata]

You bet.

The Flat Earthers are weird, to say the least.

[philman_36]

I've not slandered you...

You did slander me...You're a joke, just not a good one.

...I've pointed out the fact that the Flat Earth is an absurdity.
You've done nothing more than share your opinion, as have I.

There is no evidence in support of it, but true believers are utterly untroubled by that lack.
And there you go with the slander again.

Joshua 10:12 Then Joshua spoke to the Lord in the day when the Lord delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel:“Sun, stand still over Gibeon; And Moon, in the Valley of Aijalon.”
13 So the sun stood still, And the moon stopped, Till the people had revenge Upon their enemies.
Is this not written in the Book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and did not hasten to go down for about a whole day.

Kind of hard for the sun to stand still when the Earth is what is supposed to be orbiting the sun. Or do you not believe the Bible?

...as for me and my house we will follow the Lord. Joshua 24:15