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PragerU's Attempt To Violate YouTube's 1st Amendment Rights Shot Down By 9th Circuit Court of Appeals
Reason ^ | 2/26/20 | Billy Binion

Posted on 02/26/2020 3:40:49 PM PST by semimojo

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To: semimojo
Advertising's one thing

False advertising puts you in violation of federal business laws. So yeah, that's a serious thing asshole.

If Prager can show that YouTube violated their contract (TOS),

Then let's have a contract fight rather than relying on publisher status or the Communications Decency Act. But they'll lose the contract fight because even if they have a clause like "we can remove your content for any reason and at any time," the fact they're only using it for political censorship would probably be unconscionable. Then there's deceptive trade practices acts as well.

81 posted on 02/26/2020 5:47:43 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: DiogenesLamp
The difference in scale is what makes it objectionable... and dangerous.

So constitutional rights are based on size? You are afforded less rights if you are above a certain size? Who sets the line? Does the same go for the millionaires and billionaires the libs are always going after?

I’m looking for what makes YouTube different. If the argument is only because they are bigger, it’s a bad argument.

I’m open to other reasons though. Yours just doesn’t seem adequate.
82 posted on 02/26/2020 6:23:19 PM PST by mmichaels1970
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To: semimojo

Then how can homosexuals demand a baker make them a wedding cake?

Are our courts more than just a little confused?


83 posted on 02/26/2020 6:27:32 PM PST by DoughtyOne (The DNC has a taxidermist on speed for Nancy, Hillary, and Ruth.)
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To: a fool in paradise
Many videos on youtube violate copyright, yt says they aren’t accountable.

So does that mean FR CAN be held liable for content? Like if we post a Getty image and it slips past the mods? But YouTube is protected differently? Just trying to wrap my mind around the difference other than “YouTube is bigger”.
84 posted on 02/26/2020 6:29:49 PM PST by mmichaels1970
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To: semimojo
An attempt t make it into a public utility, thus subject to government regulation which could include first amendment protection for originators of content.. Didn’t work, but a nice try and worth the effort.
85 posted on 02/26/2020 6:31:44 PM PST by hinckley buzzard (Power is more often surrendered tha)
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To: mmichaels1970
If the argument is only because they are bigger, it’s a bad argument.

That's a great argument. If you have 75% of the market and can completely silence huge amounts of the electorate, thus giving the Commie-Left a huge advantage in the War of Ideas, then action is definitely called for.

86 posted on 02/26/2020 6:32:03 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
If you have 75% of the market and can completely silence huge amounts of the electorate

What if you have 74%? Or 51%? What percent is the baseline and who sets it?
87 posted on 02/26/2020 6:38:37 PM PST by mmichaels1970
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To: DoughtyOne
Then how can homosexuals demand a baker make them a wedding cake?

Didn’t the bakers win their cases?
88 posted on 02/26/2020 6:40:13 PM PST by mmichaels1970
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To: semimojo
YouTube?

YouTube is just part of it. Every single major carrier of public traffic is on the side of the totalitarian socialists.

89 posted on 02/26/2020 6:43:43 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no oither sovereignty."/)
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To: CA Conservative
The argument about sites like Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, etc. is whether they are platforms or publishers.

This is what I’m trying to understand. Is FR a platform or publisher? A publisher right? Which means there is a certain amount of legal liability for content. Like our posts. Do I have that correct?
90 posted on 02/26/2020 6:46:56 PM PST by mmichaels1970
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To: Leaning Right
I agree with that. But the remedy is for us to take our business elsewhere.

There is no elsewhere. There is nothing out there that competes seriously with Google, YouTube, Facebook or Twitter.

Or if the corporation is big enough, to apply antitrust laws.

Have we all not witnessed in the last few years how laws don't apply to the elite? Is Hillary in Jail? Is Comey? Is Strzok?

We've supposedly got the Justice Department on our side, and yet we still can't seem to get any of these people indicted. Google buys congressmen in the manner the rest of us buys socks. They will not be brought to account by the Justice Department.

The Bill of Rights was meant to protect us from government tyranny only.

At the time, the idea of "private" tyranny was to absurd to contemplate.

Are YouTube or Google there yet?

Clearly.

91 posted on 02/26/2020 6:49:18 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no oither sovereignty."/)
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To: mmichaels1970

I thought there were still cases hanging...

Maybe not.


92 posted on 02/26/2020 6:51:00 PM PST by DoughtyOne (The DNC has a taxidermist on speed for Nancy, Hillary, and Ruth.)
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To: DoughtyOne

There probably are. I know I’ve heard of a couple wins though.


93 posted on 02/26/2020 6:52:58 PM PST by mmichaels1970
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To: mmichaels1970
I’m looking for what makes YouTube different.

They are a deadly threat. That's enough.

Yours just doesn’t seem adequate.

It would help if you had a better understanding of our social structure and the history of the world. I can only urge you to learn more and to further contemplate the consequences of what is going to happen when no one can communicate anything but approved thought because we let the lesser constitutional first amendment "tail" wag the (All of our other rights put together) "Dog."

You lose freedom of speech regarding mass communications, and it will be a very short time till you lose everything you value.

94 posted on 02/26/2020 6:55:39 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no oither sovereignty."/)
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To: semimojo

Prager noted that the same exact subjects were allowed on YouTube without restrictions IF THE OPINION WAS ON THE LEFT. That is his entire point. Yes, youtube is private. But it is so ubiquitous it is pretty unfair that YouTube’s owners ONLY flag conservatives sided topics.


95 posted on 02/26/2020 6:57:20 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: semimojo
Political ideology isn't a protected class.

Says who? Who gets to decide that all people who believe in Christianity aren't a protected class?

Who is the person that decides what is and is not a "protected class"?

96 posted on 02/26/2020 6:58:13 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no oither sovereignty."/)
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To: Leaning Right

Suppose Google decided to delete all references to conservative sites and conservative politicians.


SUPPOSE???!!!

They routinely hide things that are not in accord with their politics.


97 posted on 02/26/2020 6:58:34 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: Steve Van Doorn

My lawyer told me that these social media corporations are spending tons of money for lobbyist to keep it this way


I’d be more inclined to think these platforms MAKE money from the Soros’ s and other powers of the world for promoting and hiding certain topics or truths.


98 posted on 02/26/2020 6:59:52 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: DiogenesLamp
They are a deadly threat. That's enough.

So that’s the argument you’d make before the SCOTUS.
99 posted on 02/26/2020 7:00:51 PM PST by mmichaels1970
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To: semimojo
And how many billions of dollars and man years of effort did it take to develop and maintain the YouTube platform?

It is nothing without the people. They also lied to us in telling us that all would be welcome, and when they used this trick to get sufficient audience to be powerful, they then betrayed those people who took them at their word.

Without that lie, they could never have grown to what they have become. If they had told the truth in the beginning, We the People could have strangled this nasty changeling in it's crib.

100 posted on 02/26/2020 7:03:18 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no oither sovereignty."/)
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