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Video: Sailors Cheer Wildly For Captain Fired Over Letter Pleading For Help With Coronavirus Outbreak
Hotair ^ | 04/04/2020 | AllahPundit

Posted on 04/04/2020 7:07:42 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: DennisR
I'd wager I served on more ships than you did.

Policy gets eaten regularly at sea. My point is almost everyone on FR is blaming a TACTICAL COMMANDER for a STRATEGIC problem set, ignoring that there are multi-billion dollar programs and organizations to support this TACTICAL COMMANDER, and they utterly failed

And you, and everyone else here, PAID FOR THE FAILURE, and you are not incensed.

You want to take it out on a O-6? How about the CNO and naval staff in charge of plans? Where was the Navy's plan for contagion problems? A FOIA request will get you the date of authorship and date of last revision.

How about the 3 star at DIA? He owns the National Center for Medical Intelligence. They are supposed to give leadership intelligence in order to plan and make decisions.

How about the Pentagon's I&W? How about US Pacific Command's intelligence section, a one or two star admiral?

There is a metric shit-ton of people who did not do there job to pass information, and make decisions at the strategic level, for a strategic problem, and everyone wants to shit on a tactical commander.

Given the scenario of failure, he should have received a Letter of Caution and an immediate support plan by everyone in the supporting role.

His firing is nothing more than a cover-up for the real failures........by a lot of people with very comfortable jobs in the Beltway, and in Hawaii.

121 posted on 04/04/2020 3:48:54 PM PDT by Salvavida
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To: WASCWatch
Point taken. However, everything points to him sending an unencrypted letter that could be hacked or leaked even he had already sent his concerns up the chain.

I believe he could have taken other steps to secure his ship while awaiting orders. I'm still not clear how he found so many sailors to have Covid-19. Maybe I'm just naive or that I don't know current Navy regulations.

After the collisions last year with 2 large slow moving commercial freighters, I'm not confident in my Navy of late. Then there is the fact that Iranians took fast boat sailors hostage without a fight. Yes, it's been said they were in Iranian waters, but never proven unless I missed it.

122 posted on 04/04/2020 4:50:45 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (I'm not Islamophobic - I'm Islamonauseous. Also LGBTQxyz nauseous.)
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To: Salvavida
20 years naval service, to include Pentagon staff, it is not just a fucking opinion.

Well la de da! I should believe you, why? (I would have responded more kindly if you had not used that language in your response.)

123 posted on 04/04/2020 7:38:26 PM PDT by Avalon Memories (Politics is all about quid pro quos. Donate to me! Vote for me! I'll give you "free" stuff.)
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To: Salvavida

I expect there will be others who see some repercussions as well. We shall see how it plays out. There’s always more to the story.


124 posted on 04/04/2020 7:43:14 PM PDT by petitfour (APPEAL TO HEAVEN)
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To: apoliticalone

I had not heard that the carrier made a port of call in Viet Nam. He should have known the risks of that decision, and should have been fired for that reason alone.


125 posted on 04/04/2020 8:08:39 PM PDT by WASCWatch
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To: Avalon Memories
You are the one who challenged me instead of interacting with the specifics of my response. If you didn't understand my assertions, then ASK. There really are experts on FR on just about every topic, and substantive responses should tell you when a person has special knowledge or experience.

That is what we do here, right? Otherwise it's a message board having no more value than Yahoo.com commentaries.

126 posted on 04/04/2020 8:19:37 PM PDT by Salvavida
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To: WASCWatch
Captain Crozier was not the only senior US official visiting Vietnam. The Theodore Roosevelt was greeted by Adm. John C. Aquilino, commander of the U.S. Pacific Fleet, and U.S. Ambassador to Vietnam Daniel Kritenbrink, according to Stars and Stripes online.

Maybe Trump should have fired all of them.

127 posted on 04/04/2020 8:34:53 PM PDT by PerConPat ( A politician is an animal which can sit on a fence and yet keep both ears to the ground..Mencken)
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To: WASCWatch
My guess is that everyone in the chain of command agreed with the Captain, but Sec. Modby was more concerned how doing the right thing would look bad for him. Modby will be fired by the end of next week. Do not be surprised in Captain Crozier gets his job back.

Did you see the letter from SECNAV:

- see https://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=112537

Bookmarking for a possible dispensing of claim chowder for the claim:

"Modby will be fired by the end of next week."

128 posted on 04/05/2020 3:15:18 PM PDT by Fury
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To: WASCWatch

Here is an interesting perspective from Asia Times. It sounds like the State Dept set up the port of call in Vietnam. This all needed sorted out BEFORE the USN is embarrassed and a respected CO is sht canned. There is blame to go around on the surface on this as usual.

State Dept always plays politics at the expense of underlings.

https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/politics/article/3064991/us-navy-ship-visit-vietnam-amid-rising-south-china-sea-tensions

https://asiatimes.com/2020/04/us-aircraft-carrier-should-never-have-been-sent-to-vietnam/


129 posted on 04/05/2020 3:40:16 PM PDT by apoliticalone (Without freedom of speech we have no democracy and will lose all our freedoms.)
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To: WASCWatch

Thank you for the reply. Sadly I think there is much more to this than having the CO publicly fired, and embarrassing and putting the USN at risk. Those even higher up the ladder may find themselves dispensable. These things need sorted out before snap decisions are made by and in the media. Politics is often the enemy of common sense and war. State Dept and DoD heads may roll.


130 posted on 04/05/2020 3:47:48 PM PDT by apoliticalone (Without freedom of speech we have no democracy and will lose all our freedoms.)
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To: apoliticalone

You make an excellent point. Maybe the Deep State in the State Department had no problem exposing sailors to the Coronavirus so Trump might look bad.


131 posted on 04/05/2020 7:45:52 PM PDT by WASCWatch
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