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Sweden's herd immunity plan: is it working? Swedish epidemiologists have hailed the plan as "the best in the world", while WHO believes it is reckless and dangerous.
AS English ^ | 05/18/2020

Posted on 05/18/2020 9:38:01 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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1 posted on 05/18/2020 9:38:01 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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Health care system within capacity? Check.
No exponential explosion of hospitalizations or deaths? Check.
Disproportionately koranimals and rapefugees entering hell? GOOD!
I don’t see a problem here. Sweden’s doing it right.


2 posted on 05/18/2020 9:40:34 AM PDT by Mr. Rabbit
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To: SeekAndFind

Easy for WHO to say. They have no skin in the game. They are not actually responsible for anything.


3 posted on 05/18/2020 9:42:06 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: SeekAndFind

We won’t know for sure if Sweden’s plan was a success for another few years, once the multiple waves have washed through locked-down and unlocked-down countries.
And then there is also the economic impact postmortem.
All in all, Sweden has been a great control group. We should be grateful.


4 posted on 05/18/2020 9:43:04 AM PDT by Ouchthatonehurt
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RE:”Coronavirus lockdown measures “pushing deaths into the future”, says Dr. Giesecke. “

Just close EVERYTHING forever.

5 posted on 05/18/2020 9:43:14 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Wear your face homemade coverings (not a N95 please) when you zoom into work to show you care.)
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To: Texas Eagle
Easy for WHO to say. They have no skin in the game.

They do have skin in the game.

Political skin. They need to serve their Chinese masters.

6 posted on 05/18/2020 9:45:43 AM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: Mr. Rabbit

Agreed.

We’d be far better off about $20 trillion total expense richer, without a hundred-million-plus in the developing world likely to die out of our self-imposed Depression and with Trump on a more likely path to reelection.

Should have gone way further protecting the old from the start. E.g., why were the governors’ directives in NY, NJ, MI and CA allowed to stand for 6 weeks to guarantee that the Covid infected were sent into nursing homes across their states? Why didn’t the Trump admin develop its own models that would account for the domestic and global cost in lives from this one-terming shutdown?

Why are we on track now to let Bill Gates inject the world with his devious and dangerous first-ever RNA vaccine?


7 posted on 05/18/2020 9:46:51 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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RE: Just close EVERYTHING forever.

And does that guarantee no deaths or infections? In NYC 66% of infections were on people who were sheltering in place.

SEE HERE:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8293417/66-New-York-coronavirus-hospitalizations-people-staying-HOME.html

REVEALED: 66% of New York state coronavirus hospitalizations are people staying at HOME and NOT essential workers - which begs question: Does lockdown even work?


8 posted on 05/18/2020 9:49:45 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (look at Michigan, it will)
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WHO don’t like it?
Who is WHO?


9 posted on 05/18/2020 9:52:52 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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RE: Who is WHO?

I thought you'd never ask ...


10 posted on 05/18/2020 9:54:20 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (look at Michigan, it will)
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To: SeekAndFind

LOL


11 posted on 05/18/2020 9:57:16 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: Texas Eagle

The are kind of like our Department of Education- they do nothing but suck up money.


12 posted on 05/18/2020 10:05:18 AM PDT by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca. Deport all illegals. Abolish the DEA, IRS and ATF,.)
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Exactly. The WHO has never actually treated a patient and the Dept. of Education has never actually taught a child.


13 posted on 05/18/2020 10:09:08 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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WHO to Sweden - you are risking all of our credibility in making massively dire predictions which created a massive police state we intend on utilizing in the future...


14 posted on 05/18/2020 10:11:54 AM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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True isolation doesn’t work. You get at least some of your food from outdoors and outside your house.


15 posted on 05/18/2020 10:19:53 AM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: SeekAndFind

You missed the /s.


16 posted on 05/18/2020 10:35:41 AM PDT by FreedomNotSafety
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Which country is getting more bad press about their handling of Coronavirus: Sweden, or China?

One way or another, the world is going to be thankful that Sweden acted like the control in this massive pandemic response experiment even if they did impose some measures and shut some things down, no other country even tried to see if shutting down schools and restaurants was necessary, or made a difference in the spread of the disease or mortality rates. They may not admit it, but they’ll be thankful.


17 posted on 05/18/2020 10:45:57 AM PDT by jz638
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“True isolation doesn’t work. You get at least some of your food from outdoors and outside your house.”

That is correct there is true isolation unless you have 5 years worth of food store up in your home.

I do not live there but read Sweden did have restrictions and social distancing in place.

“The majority of the Swedish population, who were asked to practice social distancing on a mostly voluntary basis, approve of the approach, with polls indicating that two-thirds believe the government has done a good job” A lot of folks avoided crowded places.

Sweden is a different country then the USA:

Sweden population is smaller then other countries. The largest city in Sweden is 1.5 million compare to New York City 8.1 million.

Sweden is a less dense Density 25 P/Km² compare to the USA 36 Density P/Km².

The virus likes highly populated areas like New York City. I think the real lesson is why do we need to lock down our less populated areas (fly over area) with the same strict rules as big cites like New York. Those areas can still function with basic restrictions and social distancing in place.

In order to get herd immunity we need to let the uneducated get infected by not forcing them into lock down we are only delaying things. (example the jails in CA prisoners getting infected on purpose) We need to let Darwin theories work to get a better country.


18 posted on 05/18/2020 10:53:40 AM PDT by DEPcom
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“66% of New York state coronavirus hospitalizations are people staying at HOME and NOT essential workers - which begs question: Does lockdown even work?”

I have to wonder if that 65% came from New York City public housing. Very dirty third world looking area.

” infected by going out to get groceries or other essential items, or from seeing people outside of work. “

Where they using public transport (buses and subways) to travel back and forth?

In the fly over country you drive your own car back and forth to the stores and live in cleaner houses with yards.


19 posted on 05/18/2020 10:59:11 AM PDT by DEPcom
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Just found the break down chart at the bottom UK article. Very interesting..


20 posted on 05/18/2020 11:01:35 AM PDT by DEPcom
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