Posted on 05/18/2020 12:21:09 PM PDT by absalom01
Texas is one place it happened altho recent over ruled
Viruses replicate inside of human cells. Zinc can interfere with replication if it gets inside of cells, but without an ionophore zinc apparently can’t cross the cell membrane. HCQ is an ionophore. Quercetin, a flavonoid, may also be an ionophore and it’s found in a number of foods.
Zinc supplements probably aren’t as significant as having an ionophore to allow it to work. If you were getting quercetin in your diet that may have helped as much if not more than the zinc.
There isn’t some big conspiracy against HCQ among medical researchers. NIH/NCBI published an article back in 2005 on HCQ’s possible effectiveness against the first SARS virus, and Covid-19 is actually another SARS virus. HCQ may well be effective, there’s anecdotal reports from doctors suggesting so, but no one can say for sure at this point.
Fauci gets accused of being against HCQ because he won’t endorse it. But he can’t endorse it until there’s a double blind study proving its efficacy. Double blind studies prevent researchers from affecting the results. Since Covid-19 is only the 2nd SARS outbreak there hasn’t been an opportunity to do a double blind test of HCQ vs SARS. Maybe one is being run now, who knows.
“We’ll have to agree to disagree on the analogy, which, granted, is a bit hyperventilated, but not completely off of the mark.”
The “analogy” is ridiculous and only useful as inflammatory rhetoric. The Tuskegee Study began in 1932 with subjects already infected with syphillis. The first effective drug against syphillis was Penicillin, which didn’t become available for another 12 years. You’ll have to explain how that has any connection at all to HCQ and SARS-2.
I haven’t suggested that there’s a conspiracy against HCQ, though the media and their enablers have certainly invested heavily in it not working, since Trump suggested it.
Anyway, this piece is based on, though without mentioning, Dr. Zelenko’s “cocktail” that has been publicized on the right side of the internet for the past several weeks, and which is finding support in other parts of the world. I’ve said before, and been criticized by the Flubros that this isn’t “proof”, but it’s at least a smoke signal.
The politics of it is fascinating to me though, and that’s the context in which the admittedly provocative comparison is interesting to me. The Tuskegee study denied effective treatment to allow the study of a known to be deadly disease to progress. The accusation here is that a treatment that has at least strong anecdotal success is not even being investigated, and is in consequence causing a similar, needless suffering and death.
It’s unseemly, that’s the public discourse today. I’m tired of letting the left control the narrative.
Which is why the admittedly inflammatory rhetoric seems a reasonable
“The accusation here is that a treatment that has at least strong anecdotal success is not even being investigated, and is in consequence causing a similar, needless suffering and death.”
When in fact there are currently 117 HCQ/Covid studies going on around the world. Information courtesy of a pharmacist pal:
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results?cond=covid-19+hydroxychloroquine
Sigh.
I think you might be posting without having read the article, which never, ever happens at FR. Ever.
Here’s the guy’s point. I think it’s a good political jab, if a bit hystrionic:
“When Fauci tests HCQ on them without giving them zinc at the same time, many will die. In the 1930s and 1940s, the NIH deprived black Americans of life-saving penicillin in the infamous Tuskegee Syphilis Study. Now, under the leadership of Antony Fauci, the NIH is about to begin a study that will deprive them of life-saving zinc.”
You are responding to the media red-herring “HCQ”, and ignoring the topic of discussion, zinc supplementation.
You have asserted that people have plenty of zinc from their diet. You might have personal knowledge of this, but you haven’t shared that, so no one can evaluate that claim.
What I don’t understand is why you’re defending Fauci. Weird.
“What I don’t understand is why you’re defending Fauci. Weird.”
Yeah, because it makes so much more sense to believe Zelenko, because who needs studies and evidence and stuff? Certainly not you.
Strange.
I’ve gone to some pains to point out that Zelenko’s observations aren’t what we would like as “proof” in normal times.
But there’s a clear signal in his observations, and he’s not alone. And these are not normal times.
Why do you not want his hypothesis to be investigated?
Here’s something. Back in the day, when I was working as a cop, when I asked someone a question, and he answered a different question, I always got suspicious. Same as with you, and your deflection about HCQ, when the discussion was about zinc, and the “Zelenko protocol”.
I don’t get it. You’ve been around a long time, so you’re not a troll. I really don’t get it.
Strange.
I’ve gone to some pains to point out that Zelenko’s observations aren’t what we would like as “proof” in normal times.
But there’s a clear signal in his observations, and he’s not alone. And these are not normal times.
Why do you not want his hypothesis to be investigated?
Here’s something. Back in the day, when I was working as a cop, when I asked someone a question, and he answered a different question, I always got suspicious. Same as with you, and your deflection about HCQ, when the discussion was about zinc, and the “Zelenko protocol”.
I don’t get it. You’ve been around a long time, so you’re not a troll. I really don’t get it.
I’ve gone to some pains to point out that Zelenko’s observations aren’t what we would like as “proof” in normal times”
They aren’t proof at any time. And yet you believe that they are, apparently because the rules of evidence magically change if times are not “normal”.
“Why do you not want his hypothesis to be investigated?”
I never said any such thing. I said that Zelenko can offer no study that backs his insufficient serum zinc claims because there hasn’t been any such study. That doesn’t keep the gullible from trumpeting his claims since they (you) never bother to check.
However there are two studies involving both HCQ and Zinc due to start this month, so if Zelenko can time travel then maybe he actually does know something, despite all indications to the contrary.
” when I was working as a cop,”
Now that is a truly scary thought. Hopefully your casual relationship with logic didn’t create too many problems.
My understanding is that one of the ways HCQ and zinc work to mitigate or slow virus replication is to provide cells with an over abundance of zinc. This is achieved through the introduction of an ionophore. HCQ acts like an ionophore, i.e., a compound that facilitates the transport of (zinc) ions across the cell membrane.
When we say the RDA for zinc is 15mg, does that same level of RDA apply when the goal is to overload cells with zinc? Frankly, I don't know.
Food for thought: If the U.S. diet typically provides all the zinc we need, then why do people use zinc lozenges to shorten colds (viruses)?
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