Posted on 05/21/2020 8:16:46 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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ALL true, sad to say. But, there is no going back for the Hong Kong Chinese.
There has been a steady exodus of Chinese out of the PRC. They go to countries in southeast Asia and do there what they have to do to survive since 1997 or so.
Some finally make it to the USA.
I agree. Reagan used capitalism to destroy the USSR. The CCP watched this happen, and learned from it. It would be expected that they would do this, of course. So they used what we don't have - top down totalitarian control of workers and industry, in combination with their form of 'controlled' capitalism, in which they control labor costs and keep them below ours, and subsidize whole industries to help them to outcompete ours. It's not 'genius'. It's what any totalitarian government would do to avoid being defeated the way the USSR was in the Cold War.
Of course, our feckless, pathetic political class let them do this - some of them making money from deals made along the way.
As a society, it's past the time that we should have realized that those people who ascend in politics are generally the worst and most incompetent people we could possibly put in office - including, and to some extent in particular, those non-practicing lawyers who went to overrated Ivy League law schools. Our academic 'elite' institutions have become training grounds for pinheads. We would do well not to select our office holders from this group, and we've had plenty of evidence to support this notion.
If there were armies of netagandists posting misinformation about lasers here and all over the Internet, purposely, your laser analogy might be a good one.
“Hong Kong is a Chinese city. It just is. To defend UK sovereignty over any part of it is a dead end, in my opinion.”
Sorry bro, but that’s ChiCom propaganda.
Did you know lasers are a Chinese communist invention?
Russia would still be commie if it was up to you.
Hong Kong is a Chinese city, so technically, it could have been turned over to Taiwan. Taiwan (ROC) is far more authentically Chinese than the communist abomination that rules the mainland. Unfortunately, the Taiwanese wouldn’t be able to defend it, but it would be under Taiwanese jurisdiction for the few minutes before PLA tanks rolled across the border.
Singapore us a Chinese city and its independent.
Being a “Chinese city” means nothing. It didn’t have to be “turned over” to anyone.
And there’s no reason it can’t be like Singapore.
Don’t know why Lieberman is involved with Red China or to what extent. The question is whether Schumer is or not, not what old Joe might be doing. He’s been out of office for many years, if not decades.
There are only a few Jewish senators as opposed to the greater majority being Christians so why pick on the Jewish ones? A whiff of anti-Semitism do I detect?
Go after the Bidens, Chris Dodd, Boehner, etc. They are the real threats to America.
“..Now China is killing the goose that lays the golden eggs....”
And look at our blue states. Amazing similarity. Everything that socialists/Marxists touch...
You think President Trump or any other US President ever would go to war with China over Hong Kong? Let’s put aside their nuclear arsenal. And let’s put aside the subsurface interdiction fleet and anti-ship weaponry they’ve been building for the past couple decades to limit our ability to project power into their territorial waters without horrendous losses. Imagine for 2 seconds what would happen to the US economy if everything we rely on China to produce for us suddenly just stopped. How many things CAN you even buy today that aren’t at least made in part in China? We’ve handed them the keys to our economic engine and trusted them not to run it into the ground because it wouldn’t be in their economic interest to do so. But what if it suddenly were?
My point is, unless and until we’re prepared to actually produce the things we need in the US again, we are extremely vulnerable with China. I think the people of Hong Kong deserve freedom, but I also don’t think it’s worth 100,000 dead American soldiers, half our navy, and two decades of economic ruin in the United States to help secure that freedom. President Trump is absolutely right: America first. That BEGINS with manufacturing and economic self-sufficiency.
It also requires massive updates to our military forces starting with how we design and build weapons systems. The F-22 is a great example of a second-to-none aircraft that only became economically infeasible because the parts were produced (and I’m not kidding or exaggerating) by over 1,000 subcontractors and suppliers spread across 46 states. Can you imagine how much your car would cost if the left windshield wiper were made by a company in Maine, the right wiper by a company in Texas, the windshield by a company in Minnesota, the left headlight by a company in South Carolina, and so on for each and every part of the car, then every part individually shipped to another location for assembly? That would be insane, right? But that’s how we build weapons systems for our military now because it’s how we get people in Congress to vote for those things and not cancel them (money coming into their district).
Russia isn’t communist today because communist/socialist states are intrinsically doomed to failure by their very nature. The Soviet Union collapsed much faster than normal because President Reagan understood we had the economic engine to dump money into the military and the Soviets didn’t, but they also believed their very survival depended on keeping up with us. President Reagan made them push their dying economic engine past its breaking point and their whole system imploded. Since that time, we’ve gutted ourselves by outsourcing all the jobs that actually build things to China. And now that everything we need to function day-to-day is built in China, you think we can really stand up to them?
President Trump is helping get us started. He signed an executive order saying that PPE paid for by the US government needs to be made in the USA. He’s negotiating with Intel (the microchip manufacturer) and others to bring tech manufacturing back to the US. We were fools to trust China in the first place, but they lured us in with slave labor cost savings. We need to buck up and pay a little more for American quality and reliability. And for the economic security of being self-sufficient.
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"A whiff" --- Maybe a little.
I must admit, for decades I've been disgusted by the stranglehold the Jewish community has over the media.
I have known forever (since my (Scottish/Welsh)grandmother always told me that I was a descendant of a lost tribe of Israel that Jews hold education and schooling in high regard. THAT IS GREAT.
However, I have always lamented what they have done with their success in various industries.
The nearly completely evil media IS WHAT IT IS today generally because of the Jewish near complete "control". Please don't bother disagreeing about this. It's true.
The only "whiff" you may detect is that I wish, for the sake of the country, they would do better with their talents and emphasis on education and accomplishment. Okay?
Please; don't take this as disagreeing; but do you have some FACTS to back this up?
I agree. But that’s the reasoning the chicoms use. Any Chinese city/area is theirs. If they succeed in taking Taiwan, they aren’t going to stop there. They’ll go after Singapore. They’ll go after S. Korea and Vietnam as it had been under Chinese control 1000+ years ago. They’ll go after any territory where there is a sizeable Chinese minority (Thailand, Philippines, Malaysia, etc). The chicoms are trying to rebuild the historical empire, so any piece of land that was ever under their control they feel entitled to. What was the extent of Ghengis & Kublai Khan’s empire (never mind that they were Mongols)? That would be a general idea of what they want, whether by indirect or direct control.
It’s the same mindset of Mussolini, Hitler, and various Moslem fanatics. It doesn’t matter if the people in those other countries want nothing to do with them, regardless of whether they are ethnically Chinese or not. The chicoms are authoritarians, and like an authoritarian father, they know father knows best and should make all the decisions for his errant children.
https://www.amazon.com/Empire-Their-Own-Invented-Hollywood/dp/0385265573
An Empire of Their Own: How the Jews Invented Hollywood
“That subtitle may inspire in some readers waves of ethnic pride, and in others waves of ethnic revulsion, but the point of this book is that its claim of origin is quite literally true.
And what makes it an interesting read for political types is the way it demonstrates that no matter how much the founding Hollywood moguls and their successors tried to peddle an idealized, escapist form of entertainment, bubbling up under and around their every project was ideology, racism, ethnic prejudice, class friction, domestic and international politics and all the other raw, seething stuff that distinguishes this country from all others. In Gabler's hands, the Industry draws a picture of American political history in spite of itself.”
“This is an excellent, well researched book about the men who invented Hollywood and the movies according to their own ideas about what the American Dream should be and what their ideal of America might look like.”
“With China, the policies have been to enrich and empower the world’s largest communist nation, probably the dumbest and most dangerous US foreign and trade policies in our history.”
Thank you Nixon and Kissinger.
And idiotic policy today is still determined by their thinking.
Foreign policy establishment is the swamp and dedicated to stasis more than any other swamp group.
I feel sorry for “the kids” who want liberty so badly. They were shut down in a matter of a couple days.
“Second, Hong Kong was leased to the UK, the lease ended.”
Wrong.
Don’t say stupid things you know nothing about.
There was absolutely a 99 year lease agreement.
Why do you think there wasn’t. What are we mistaking?
After commissioning I was on my way to BEIJING for some Ebassy TAD and language studies prior to Surface Warfare School.
Hong Kong Naval attache people met me getting off the plane with new orders. Tiananmen had just happened. Spent 30 days in HK watching the resulting wave of smuggled news. Still have books of smuggled photos from the peaceful protests through to the horrific aftermath.
Port visits in ‘92 + ‘94 you could sense subtle changes as ‘97 neared.
Multiple business trips from ‘03 to ‘15 saw a big shift and continued decline in the atmosphere. From a sense of energy to one of resignation. Place just wasn’t the same.
Still have a Brit ‘colony’ flag in my basement, loved that vibrant city. Such a loss.
I felt the same sort of shift taking hold here at home in ‘12. Thank the Lord we got Trump.
“There was absolutely a 99 year lease agreement.”
Hong Hong is made up of three areas. Hong Kong. Kowloon. New Territories.
Hong Kong and Kowloon were ceded in perpetuity. New Territories had the lease.
The lease was not with the People’s Republic of China but was made 50 years before that country ever existed.
The Basic Agreement that is an international treaty registered in the UN is the basis for the turnover from UK to PRC. There was at least one other government between the time of the lease and founding of PRC. The PRC did not hold the lease.
The Basic Agreement says nothing about the lease. It is not even mentioned and is not the basis for the treaty.
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