Posted on 05/28/2020 6:32:00 PM PDT by DEPcom
+1
“Of the 26 departments with which i was familiar, none allowed extended carotid just for control for 3-4 seconds to take down., None allowed neck pressure.”
Agree. AFAIK, choke holds of any kind were disallowed decades ago, yet I heard about rogue cops continuing to use them long after, including the dreaded billy-choke. A billyclub is pulled against the esophagus from behind until the esophagus closes completely. The suspect not only cannot breathe & passes out, but the eyeballs & tongue can explode of pressure isnt released in time. This can also cause brain bleed.
When the autopsy is made public, I got a dollar that says his neck vertebrae was fractured or separated post mortem.
*of=if
I concur. I worked with some rough men (and a few rough women), but they were fair and once the cuffs were on the fight was over. Most were humble as you describe.
I saw some heated altercations, but you usually stepped in for your partner(s) if they got amped and expected them to do the same for you.
This guy has to be wrong that they teach this as a technique or he is trying to spin it. No agency would teach an officer this restraint technique.
You bet. Just wish I could find the street cam video. It leads up to the main incident. In the street cam video there is literally no resisting at all.
There is an old saying in football, I think by Bear Bryant. When you pass three things can happen and two are bad,.
When you neck hold you can break the wind pie with pressure in the front or press on the carotids and kill the guy if you don’t let up in time., Otherwise it’s a good control hold. My old coach said, control the (defensive lineman’s) man’s head and you control the man.
Cal banned in the 80s when LAPD broke a guys windpipe and killed him.
“There was a hostile crowd. The cops could have been restraining the suspect limb by limb, but they had to keep a defensive posture against the hostile crowd.”
That is a very valid point. I wonder if the hostile crowd effected the officers decision making processes.
However the Officer with the knee was a police officer for almost 20 years so the hostile crowd should have not effected him.
post mortem?
“street cam video there is literally no resisting at all”
I am waiting to see the video that shows the walk from sitting on the sidewalk to the car. That is the major piece that is missing.
We will have to wait and see. I am sure everything will come out.
“IF THE MPD ALLOWS THAT TECHNIQUE, THE COP COULD WALK.”
Perhaps you’re right.
Side note, I wish the Mayor would shut his fool mouth.
Those cops could also walk on appeal, based on the Mayor’s prejudicial yapping. He ain’t the jury & it’s not his job to render a verdict.
It is against his local department policy.
One off the links I posted said neck holds are not allowed by most departments. That’s my experience.
If the department allowed it by policy and training someone else will go down other than the cops who followed policy.
You know I’ve had it up to my eyeballs lately with ANYONE who calls himself an EXPERT!
I kinda doubt I’m alone in this one...
Death relaxes all muscles, as in his neck.
The continued use of force would easily allow the neck vertebrae to separate...post mortem.
The still pics show his neck in a very unnatural position during forced restraint.
That video exists, I have personally seen it. It is a street cam. It does not show him going to the position of the viral video though.
Wish I could find that darn thing again
These videos show going to police car but they are not street Cams.
https://www.theblaze.com/news/george-floyd-counterfeit-20-bill
I agree with the seperation of vertebrae, although not sure when (may or may not be post? Although relaxing of muscles upon death surely would make that easier)
I am an engineer. I have watched that video many times. Here is what I see from an engineering point of view.
I watched the knee placement very closely. As an engineer, I watched the knee work its way down to wedge itself between the shoulder and the base of the skull. In this position, with the lever arm and fulcrum point, only a slight amount of force applied, in the right direction, could in fact pop the skull right off the spinal column.
Think of a pry bar, with the knee working as the pry bar, the shoulders working as the pivot point, and the base of the skull being the pried object. I simply cannot believe this is taught, and if it is, it needs to stop immediately. This is a perfect setup for paralysis or death.
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