Autopsy report: George Floyd died from cardiopulmonary arrest, was positive for COVID-19

Channel 5 ^ | June 3 2020 | Charlie Wiese

[RummyChick]

I get it. You dont believe COVID 19 is an issue

now, tell me why that morphine free level was so high

come on...what does it usually mean

[gas_dr]

No the answer is I had some other thjnfs to do. My delay in answering has nothing to do with your suite incorrect statements. And trust me I have seen every manifestation of covid. I am sorry you have nkot

I am sad for you that you live in total paralytic fear. A life lived in fear is not living. Attempting to spread that fear that is not correct is deceitful.

[RummyChick]

I get it. You think COVID 19 is no big deal.

I prefer Medcram’s knowledge to yours

Now again,

why was his morphine free level so high

[gas_dr]

I answered your toxicology questions earlier. Why don’t you tell me you toxicology credentials. I am a board certified anesthesiologist. I am pretty sure I understand narcotics and metabolism of the same.

But go on. Continue bearing your chest and showing your ignorance and that you get your news from Instagram. It’s quite sad. I have it from people I believe to be reasonable the you once were also a reasonable human being

It appears that fear and your inability to admit when you are wrong has cast doubt as you your veracity and character.

[gas_dr]

And why don’t you answer this question:

Regardless of his toxicity screen did George Floyd deserve to have his neck knelt on for 9 minutes face down when he was restrained and became unresponsive which lead to an additional 4 minutes on his neck? Is there anything that possibly says this is ok?

[RummyChick]

Based on things I have seen and heard about hopped up drug addicts resisting arrest the answer is, in theory, yes.

Not sure it is true in this case. I am not rushing to judgement. You can condemn the police officers if you wish.

I won’t right now.

Except to say they should have tried to figure out whether breathing is an issue even if he had threatened them with Covid 19 and tried to spit on them (facts not in evidence)

[RummyChick]

btw, STILL waiting on YOU to tell us what the high morphine free level means.
kind of weird you want to pontificate about COVID 19 but wont answer that simple question

[Georgia Girl 2]

2nd degree murder is going to be a tough slog. They should have stuck with manslaughter.

[Empire_of_Liberty]

That has been exactly my thought.

At the time of Benghazi, I thought the video used, a ridiculous excuse.

Now I see it as evidence of the method used by these b-ttholes. They always look for others to shift blame to, and attribute their own sick motivations to their chosen target. Now they have computers and the Internet.

People out there peeing in their panties that the “Government” is going to see their Facebook posts totally forget about those not even in government (yet).

Also, I work in this field. Don’t think for one second that that video or pictures you have on your mobile device but have NOT posted are private.

They can scour the Internet. They can search your connected devices, too.

The evil that is being projected on Trump is behind what is happening now. They have technically savvy weeny followers. This is giving them the power to do what you are seeing today.

[gas_dr]

See post #57 where I answered your question. Then try comprehending it. Do you read responses to you, or do you simply spout on hoping that quantity of bullcrap somehow covered for inadequate quality of thought.

[marktwain]

Regardless of his toxicity screen did George Floyd deserve to have his neck knelt on for 9 minutes face down when he was restrained and became unresponsive which lead to an additional 4 minutes on his neck? Is there anything that possibly says this is ok?

You would have more credibility if you did not inflate the numbers to fit your predjudice.

He was restrained, on the ground for a bit less than nine minutes. The number commonly used is 8 minutes and 43 seconds.

He was unresponsive for the last 2 minutes and 43 seconds.

So why inflate those numbers?

If you watch the video closely, you see he was resisting, on and off, until he became unresponsive. As I recall, he is seen resisting (trying to get up) for about four minutes.

[gas_dr]

9 minutes vs 8 minute 42 seconds. I stand corrected. There are reports of 4 minutes of unresponsiveness.

So I will stipulate to your reports as the difference is irrelevant. So lets look at your statements and dissect them

1. He was trying to get up for four minutes. On 8 minute and 42 seconds that demonstrates 4 minutes and 42 seconds of potential unresponsiveness

2. If you want to split hairs about 18 seconds (9 mitts vs 8:42) does that 18 seconds mitigate in any way the actions of the officer

3. Answer this questions — did the police officer act appropriately, or is this police brutality?

There are several conflicting reports, but all agree he was unresponsive for a period of time that would cause anoxic organ damage in all cases, even if we use your numbers.

[Mom MD]

The mistake the police made was not getting off when he went limp and offering aid. Up til then there was no problem. Floyd was a hopped uo strung out violent felon and was a threat until he stopped struggling. Once he did they should have stopped and checked on him and they did not. No innocent parties here. Unfortunately the only innocent victims are those that have lost their life’s and businesses in the rioting

[marktwain]

It is not splitting hairs about 18 second. You added four minutes and 18 seconds to the timeline. He was on the ground for 8:42 total, that I have read.

3. Answer this questions — did the police officer act appropriately, or is this police brutality?

We don't know for certain. The events can be interpreted either way, with the limited information which we have.

Answer this question: Is it possible he died without any significant contribution from the restraint while he was on the ground?

[gas_dr]

In my judgement. No. But I agree with the charges and the process to run itself. It is what makes us Americans.

[Bob434]

[[Really. He says I can’t breath while someone is kneeling on his neck]]

He had been saying he couldn’t breath even before he was taken into custody- that is not’ mental gymnastics’- that is a fact-

[[Some one kneeling on your neck is the DIRECT cause of impaired airflow.]]

he is shown on the video breathing- fine- he was even holding a conversation while he was claiming he ‘couldn’t breathe’- He was breathing-

It is very likely he was however suffering a heart attack- which the autopsy indicates- not to mention he was on a drug known for causing death from not breathing- but again- it must be pointed out he was breathing- When a person is having a heart attack, they get the feeling they can’t breathe- but they still can- however, another point that is overlooked- the police didn’t know about the two serious heart problems at this point- they did know the dude was hopped up on drugs though, and it is very likely they were waiting for the ambulance to get there to attend to his medical problem - they are the ones to handle drug problems-

We can all agree that the policeman ‘should have’ acted sooner- and made a very poor decision to wait for hte4 ambulance- however, we all have the benefit of hindsight now- they didn’t have that benefit then- the ambulance was on the way- They likely could hear the siren in the distance- but even if not- they definitely knew it was near—

These police did not have an intent to cause death- Especially in light of the fact that they knew the whole scene was being videotaped- They made very bad decision to wait for ambulance- but they couldn’t know that he likely had suffered a heart attack- they did know there was no pulse- but again- the decision was made to wait or ambulance to arrive-

Does this go to the charge of ‘depraved indifference’? Given that they knew the ambulance was almost there? and given the fact that they 1 had called the ambulance to help this man, and 2 they had him on his stomach to prevent him from throwing up and inhaling it? and in light of the fact that they had treated George calmly and with respect (even knowing he was high o n drugs) until George began fighting them in the car? I personally don’t think so- I think it was a bad mistake, bad decision, but i do not think he made the decision hoping the man would die on tape, for the world to see- or even made the decision not caring if the man lived or died- I’;m not going to assign a ‘depraved indifference to human life’ motive to him unless evidence comes out showing that he had a clear record of such- or evidence comes out during the struggle that he said something to those effects- He had been in law enforcement for 24 + years with only 17 complaints against him which is remarkable given that he very likely had been personally involved in 1000’s of arrests and incidents with folks that can’t stand the police- and who constantly lie and fill out false reports-

I don’t care what the left thinks- they are guilty of convicting this officer in the court of public opinion- They haven’t got a right to denounce anything since they have done this- and knowingly stoked the flames of racism, without proof, resulting in burning, looting, serious assaults, destruction of businesses-

There are quite a number of very key points that people who have already convicted him refuse to even consider- Very important points- thsoe hwo have convicted him already have doen so based purely on emotions- disregarding facts-

[[Some one kneeling on your neck is the DIRECT cause of impaired airflow.]]

Actually no it isn’t- someone kneeling directly on a person’s windpipe, crushing it- would be guilty of that- Test it yourself- press hard on the right side of your neck- You will be able to still breathe just fine-

[Bob434]

[[As I recall, he is seen resisting (trying to get up) for about four minutes.]]

Not to mention the fact that he was breathing fine (even though he claimed he wasn;’t- this could have been a legit claim though as heart problems can cause a person to feel as though they can’t breath well- the drugs he was on definitely make people feel like that- they call it ‘nodding’ where the person’s breathing becomes more labored and they become unresponsive— they can still breath- but it becomes labored- until finally the overdose they are experiencing stops their breathing altogether if it progresses that far- many go quite a ways towards totally stopping breathing, but don’t fully get there- and survive without intervention- -

At any rate- for those 4-5 minutes, he was breathing, you can clearly see that on the video- and he was even holding a conversation with the police who didn’t respond to his statements- He was saying things like ‘I’m claustrophobic, I can’t breathe, I’ll get in the car now, By knees hurt, my neck hurts, etc- kept talking over and over- He was rambling, but talking- breathing- his wind;pipe was not being crushed or blocked off-

[[As I recall, he is seen resisting (trying to get up) for about four minutes.]]

Yep- and he was even lifting his head off the pavement, turning his head- trying to find a more comfortable position- sure it hurt- he was being restrained- but his neck wasn’t ‘being crushed with an officer’s full 200lb+ weight on it, like many claim- As you said- he was resisting on and off- likely though trying to find a more comfortable position- He was saying “I’ll get in the car now’- but by this point the police knew he was well under the influence- and George had already had his chance to comply- but decided to fight instead- Why are the police gonna think he would all of a sudden calm down- while stoned out of his mind? They’ve been down that road many times I’m sure- a perp claims they will comply- the police relents a bit, lets the perp up- things appear fine- then the drug addled perp goes ballistic again- We see it all the time on the shows like COPS- and other live polcie shows- After 24+ years on the force- I’m sure the police officer had seen and heard it all

In Hindsight, It was a very poor decision to wait for the ambulance- But does it rise to murder 2? I don’t think so- but it’s gonna be tough for a fair trial to be had given the hostilities being whipped up by dishonest race agitators against a ‘racist police force throughout the nation where cops hunt down unarmed black people to murder them’-

Tucker laid out the numbers the other night- in the country last year- 9 unarmed black people were shot and killed- All were exonerated as justifiable self defense’ except two who were convicted-

19 white unarmed folks were shot and killed by police-

Meanwhile 54 officers were shot and killed I thin he said-

where is the supposed rampant racism in the police force which we’re told results in ‘huge numbers of unarmed black people being shot by police all across this nation’?

[gas_dr]

Look, I am an anesthesiologist, I am really pretty sure I understand the human airway, and related anatomy — you are incorrect on this issue.

The other point you are INCORRECT about is that the au topsy DOES NOT assign the cause of death as a heart attack. That would be listed as an acute myocardial infarction, The autopsy shows cardiopulmonary arrest, and there are some cardiac contributing factors. As I asked another poster who is quite sure she knows everything, there are tell tale signs of an AMI on autopsy — none of which were found.

I will give you the benefit of the doubt that the most people use heart attack interchangeably with most cardiac conditions, but in this case they are not interchangeable. There is NO evidence that the victim suffered a heart attack in the medical term.

[voicereason]

multiple blunt force injuries? who beat him up before went to the store? he sure didn’t get that from falling down outside a car

That’s a good question. Initially there was talk that the police couldn’t him into the car, hence the struggle which results in the knee to the neck. The problem with that there is video of Floyd struggling inside the vehicle with multiple officers: NBC video

I’ve said it before, but the issue with the claim of ‘resisting arrest’ can be very subjective depending on the officer. More importantly, the claim of resisting arrest is all that is needed to justify escalation of force by an officer or officers. It is also possible for an officer to essentially create the resistance just by nature of a little applied force, and the human body’s tendency to involuntary react to said force. Twist a joint, squeeze harder than necessary and the body will react to alleviate the pain.

The same things happen in correctional facilities with inmates who guards feel need to learn a lesson. Except on correctional facilities, those people have already been found to be guilty. Floyd didn’t get the chance, and that leaves a big question mark.

[Bob434]

[[you are incorrect on this issue.]]

Sorry- his airway was not obstructed- You can watch the video yourself- the knee was mostly on the back shoulder blades, and side of neck- the knee was not pressed into his throat airway, crushing his airway against the ground- He was breathing fine- until the cardiopulmonary arrest caused death- his Cardiopulmonary Arrest could very well have been exacerbated by the amount of drugs in his system which also are known to stop breathing- Fentanyl is a very powerful drug- He was also high on Meth- and likely pot too- He had two very serious heart problems to begin with-

There is no reason whatsoever to claim a knee on his back and side of neck is what killed him- He had several very serious things going on that are known to stop breathing- and to lead to lack of oxygen- George’s airway was free and clear- and again, so free and clear that he was able to keep talking clearly and distinctly for 4-5 minutes- something you can’t do if your airway isn’t free due to strangulation due to a knee crushing the windpipe- as you seem to think happened apparently- gathering for what you are arguing- -

[[The other point you are INCORRECT about is that the au topsy DOES NOT]]

GASP! Caps- oh noes-

cardiopulmonary arrest

“Noun. 1. cardiopulmonary arrest - absence of systole; failure of the ventricles of the heart to contract (usually caused by ventricular fibrillation) with consequent absence of the heart beat leading to oxygen lack and eventually to death. asystole, cardiac arrest. “

Hmmmm- lack of oxygen- Knee? Or cardiopulmonary arrest- Knee? Or Fentanyl Intoxication? Knee? Or Cardiopulmonary Arrest Plus Fentanyl intoxication leading to lack of oxygen”

You seem to be suggesting that, based on nothing but a video that ‘looks bad, but clearly shows the man breathing and talking fine, that the officer used his knee a a murder weapon-

The fact is- his airway was fine, and he was breathing fine, without any crushed windpipe, until a Cardiopulmonary Attack and/or Fentanyl caused him to stop breathing and die- IF his airway was crushed, or so significantly blocked that he couldn’t get air through, then there will be clear signs of that as well- autopsy report does not list any such signs- So you see- two can play the ‘didn’t list it as such’ game too-