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Now It's Woodrow Wilson's Turn
Townhall.com ^ | June 30, 2020 | Pat Buchanan

Posted on 06/30/2020 8:36:00 AM PDT by Kaslin

Edited on 06/30/2020 9:36:43 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: Kaslin; All

What will happen to Wilson’s crypt at the Washington Cathedral? Or his birthplace in Staunton, VA? And when will his name come off that service plaza on the NJ Turnpike?


21 posted on 06/30/2020 9:33:28 AM PDT by foreverfree
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To: Kaslin

Is FDR next? (Japanese internment) Truman? (dropped atomic bombs on Japan) JFK? (Bay of Pigs/Vietnam) LBJ? (Vietnam)


22 posted on 06/30/2020 9:43:46 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: DIRTYSECRET

NO sympathy for the man, but major sympathy for the death of teaching that what he was, was WRONG.


23 posted on 06/30/2020 9:57:45 AM PDT by Maris Crane
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To: angmo

Now, you know that Bubba, Jimmy and Barry are all democrats and can’t be held accountable ... for anything.


24 posted on 06/30/2020 10:28:02 AM PDT by Phlap (REDNECK@LIBARTS.EDU)
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To: Phlap

So why is Woodrow taking one for the team? Because BLM are too stupid to realize he was a democrat too? Or just bad luck? I’m not sure if it is ignorance or apathy but I don’t know and don’t care.


25 posted on 06/30/2020 10:36:19 AM PDT by Phlap (REDNECK@LIBARTS.EDU)
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To: Kaslin

Woodrow Wilson is responsible for much of the progressive idiocy that has put the US where it is in 2020 - he implemented the federal income tax, he introduced the idea of worthless “social studies” into the US school curriculum (and now it infects every other subject), he created the League of Nations, and he was a proud Democrat racist. I don’t agree with erasing Wilson from history - he needs to be prominently remembered as the racist, control-freak fore-runner to the racist control freaks who dominate the Democratic Party today.


26 posted on 06/30/2020 10:46:07 AM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: DIRTYSECRET
"Buchanan sucking up to the man who gave us the income tax."

Not even close to being true. Although in your defense it's fake history that is very popular around here. The income tax was proposed twice in American history, the first time by Lincoln, the second time by Teddy Roosevelt. Lincoln's was declared unConstitutional. Teddy knew to go the Amendment route.

Tax History Project

1906 In a speech on April 14, 1906, President Theodore Roosevelt endorsed a progressive estate tax.

1907 Roosevelt stepped up his campaign for several progressive additions to the nation’s tax system. In his December 7 message to Congress, he urged lawmakers to consider an income tax.

"When our tax laws are revised the question of an income tax and an inheritance tax should receive the careful attention of our legislators. In my judgment both of these taxes should be part of our system of Federal taxation."

".. a graduated income tax of the proper type would be a desirable feature of Federal taxation, and it is to be hoped that one may be devised which the Supreme Court will declare constitutional."

"1908 William Howard Taft won the presidential election to succeed Roosevelt. Handpicked by his predecessor, Taft was considered fairly liberal within his party, but he presented a less threatening image to party regulars. While supporting certain reformist ideas, including the possibility of limited taxes on income and estates, he moved cautiously in advancing such ideas."

1909 An uneasy coalition of Democrats and western Republicans joined to support passage of an individual income tax. The specter of a hostile Supreme Court haunted the debate. Some observers believed the justices would invalidate an income tax, just as they had in 1895. Others, however, thought the Court had changed to reflect growing bipartisan -- and popular -- support for the levy. A few income tax supporters wanted to press the issue regardless of the Court's likely response, eager to make the case for progressive taxation. In any case, the income tax coalition developed a moderate proposal and sought to attach it to tariff legislation in the Senate.

"1913 As part of his 1909 tax compromise, Taft had agreed to support a constitutional amendment authorizing federal income taxes. Not only would an amendment settle constitutional questions once and for all, it would also delay substantive action on the income tax, at least until ratification was complete. And since ratification was far from certain anyway, the amendment might defuse the income tax issue indefinitely, allowing it to simply fade away in the state legislatures."

"While opponents couldn’t stop the 16th amendment, they argued long and hard against it. Richard E. Byrd, speaker of the Virginia House of Delegates made a particularly impassioned plea to reject the amendment, offering a potent rhetorical blend of state rights, limited government, and anti-tax convictions. Ratification, he warned, would open a new and dangerous chapter in American government"

"Opposition from Byrd and like-minded conservatives couldn't stop the amendment. To the suprise of many, the states ratified the amendment in relatively short order, and in February 1913 it became the Sixteenth Amendment to the Constitution."

Meanwhile, newly elected President Woodrow Wilson included a call for tariff reform in his inaugural address. On April 8, he reiterated the need for revenue reform, with a particular emphasis on lower import duties. Four days later, House Ways and Means Chairman Oscar W. Underwood (D-Va.) introduced a bill to lower tariff rates from and average of 40 percent to roughly 29 percent. To compensate for lost revenue, the bill also included an income tax. The House passed the legislation on May 8, and the Senate followed suit four months later. When Wilson signed the bill in October, it included an income tax of 1 percent on individual income over $3,000 ($4,000 for married couples). It also featured a progressive surtax ranging from 1 percent to 6 percent, depending on income.

27 posted on 06/30/2020 11:11:08 AM PDT by Pelham ( Mary McCord, Sally Yates and Michael Atkinson all belong in prison.)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

” he implemented the federal income tax,”

The income tax was proposed by Teddy Roosevelt and the necessary Amendment was circulated during Taft. Once it was ratified by the States it became law. I don’t see how Wilson had anything to do with it.

http://www.taxhistory.org/www/website.nsf/Web/THM1901?OpenDocument


28 posted on 06/30/2020 11:19:21 AM PDT by Pelham ( Mary McCord, Sally Yates and Michael Atkinson all belong in prison.)
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To: Pelham
I don’t see how Wilson had anything to do with it.

The Revenue Act signed by Wilson in 1913 restored a federal income tax for the first time since 1872.
29 posted on 06/30/2020 11:48:58 AM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

“The Revenue Act signed by Wilson in 1913 restored a federal income tax for the first time since 1872.”

The Income Tax became law by Constitutional Amendment as soon as enough States ratified it. Wilson signing the Revenue Act was irrelevant.


30 posted on 06/30/2020 2:13:20 PM PDT by Pelham ( Mary McCord, Sally Yates and Michael Atkinson all belong in prison.)
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To: Pelham

Here is the wording of the 16th Amendment:

“The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.”

The amendment is permissive, but it did not contain wording requiring or implementing an income tax. The revenue bill signed in 1913 by Wilson implemented a 1% income tax on incomes above $3000 ($4000 for households) to compensate for the reduction of tariffs which previously had been the main source of federal tax revenue. So, yes, Wilson had quite a lot to do with (the re-institution of) a federal income tax.


31 posted on 06/30/2020 3:32:26 PM PDT by riverdawg
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To: riverdawg

And which Presidents sponsored and wrote the 16th Amendent that made the income tax Constutional? T


32 posted on 06/30/2020 5:32:23 PM PDT by Pelham ( Mary McCord, Sally Yates and Michael Atkinson all belong in prison.)
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To: Pelham
Wilson signing the Revenue Act was irrelevant.

There was no federal income tax until the Revenue Act of 1913 imposed one. It was certainly not irrelevant - there was no federal income tax in effect when Wilson signed it, and it marked the shift of government revenue to income taxes rather than tariffs.
33 posted on 07/01/2020 7:14:51 AM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

The Income Tax became law when enough States ratified the 16th Amendment.

Presidents don’t sign Amendments, it became law without Wilson’s signature.

Some of you people need to go back to school.


34 posted on 07/01/2020 9:03:19 AM PDT by Pelham ( Mary McCord, Sally Yates and Michael Atkinson all belong in prison.)
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To: Pelham
Some of you people need to go back to school.

The 16th amendment granted Congress the power to institute a federal income tax without apportioning among the states on the basis of population - that's all it did. It did not enact any income tax. The Revenue Act of 1913, signed by Woodrow Wilson, enacted a federal income tax for the first time since 1872.

I agree with your school comment, and highly recommend it to you before you post further on this topic.
35 posted on 07/01/2020 9:11:36 AM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: cdcdawg

No. It is not about race, or religion. It is about the assault of cultural Marxism on the American identity and way of life.
I don’t care about Wilson, or confederate generals for that matter. I do care about the fact that the progressive cancer has no stop mechanism, and will only be satisfied when things I do care about are equally demolished.


36 posted on 07/01/2020 11:15:18 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard (Power is More often surrendered than seized.)
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To: hinckley buzzard

“the American identity and way of life.”

I cannot agree. We are very conditioned to say that nothing is ever about race. It’s an uncomfortable subject. The Cultural Marxists you correctly identify as the enemy certainly think it’s about race. They are drooling at the prospect of a white minority (CA as every state). One of the big wigs at the SPLC (Mark Potok) keeps a countdown chart on his desk. That’s why they want an open border. It is about race. They are doing the same things in other countries where there is no American identity or way of life but there are white people for them to hate. Sorry, but it’s about race. The Left has seen to that.


37 posted on 07/01/2020 11:50:23 AM PDT by cdcdawg ("Racist" is just a slur against white people.)
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To: cdcdawg

It’s all about creating chaos.

And y’know, Nietzsche says that “Out of chaos comes order.”


38 posted on 07/01/2020 11:52:15 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: dfwgator

I don’t disagree. Their ends will absolutely create chaos. Already happening.


39 posted on 07/01/2020 11:54:04 AM PDT by cdcdawg ("Racist" is just a slur against white people.)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

President Teddy Roosevelt addressing Congress December 7, 1907 versus AnotherUnixGeek:

“When our tax laws are revised the question of an income tax and an inheritance tax should receive the careful attention of our legislators. In my judgment both of these taxes should be part of our system of Federal taxation. I speak diffidently about the income tax because one scheme for an income tax was declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court; while in addition it is a difficult tax to administer in its practical working, and great care would have to be exercised to see that it was not evaded by the very men whom it was most desirable to have taxed, for if so evaded it would, of course, be worse than no tax at all; as the least desirable of all taxes is the tax which bears heavily upon the honest as compared with the dishonest man. Nevertheless, a graduated income tax of the proper type would be a desirable feature of Federal taxation, and it is to be hoped that one may be devised which the Supreme Court will declare constitutional. “

https://millercenter.org/the-presidency/presidential-speeches/december-3-1907-seventh-annual-message


40 posted on 07/01/2020 12:13:20 PM PDT by Pelham ( Mary McCord, Sally Yates and Michael Atkinson all belong in prison.)
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