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Debate Over Navy's Zumwalt Destroyer's Seakeeping Abilities Doused After Rough Seas Tests
The Drive ^ | March 8, 2021 | Joseph Trevithick

Posted on 03/10/2021 9:53:43 AM PST by Incorrigible

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To: Magnatron

I rode the USS Benjamin Stoddert (DDG-22), another Adams class ship.

In addition to being the prettiest ships ever built, they sure could handle rough seas.

50ft swells in the north Pacific.

It was like being on a submarine.

Nothing but coffee and horse cock sandwiches. For four days.


21 posted on 03/10/2021 11:08:01 AM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Incorrigible

I’m glad the Zumwalt appears to be sea-worthy and is “stealthy.” It nevertheless remains a butt-ugly looking ship.


22 posted on 03/10/2021 11:11:16 AM PST by Towed_Jumper (When you're standing on the edge of a cliff, a "giant step forward" is NOT progress.)
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To: Lurker

I wonder how long the Navy will remain a credible adversary of China.

Not very, is what I figure, given our decimated industrial base, and colossal debt, and an officer class that is mostly concerned with political correctness.


23 posted on 03/10/2021 11:11:48 AM PST by OVERTIME
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To: Rebelbase

Ever see that video of waves breaking over the bow of USS Kitty Hawk in rough seas? That’s almost 60 feet - and that’s impressive.


24 posted on 03/10/2021 11:13:25 AM PST by Psalm 73 ("You'll never hear surf music again" - J. Hendrix)
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To: Red Badger

The biggest difference between the two illustrations is that the Merrimack had thicker armor plate.


25 posted on 03/10/2021 11:13:45 AM PST by Rebelbase
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To: Little Ray

There is ammo for the guns. It just costs to damned much to fill the magazines with the stuff. Last I heard was about a hundred grand a round.


26 posted on 03/10/2021 11:24:00 AM PST by Bull Snipe
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To: Incorrigible

Not to rag on the military, but they seem to have long thrown away the KISS principle. Few and incredibly expensive projects, while simple, fast and relatively inexpensive projects ended with WWII.

I bet Trump could have had 20 destroyers designed, built, tested and deployed in 10 years for that same amount of money.


27 posted on 03/10/2021 11:27:55 AM PST by wastedyears (The left would kill every single one of us and our families if they knew they could get away with it)
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To: Mariner
...being the prettiest ships ever built...

You're right about that. I still think the Adams class destroyers were the most beautiful warships ever built...


28 posted on 03/10/2021 11:31:56 AM PST by Magnatron
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To: Magnatron
Your story reminds me how much I enjoyed reading the book Halsey’s Typhoon.. What was the name and class of your ship?
29 posted on 03/10/2021 11:38:16 AM PST by KC Burke (If all the world is a stage, I would like to request my lighting be adjusted.)
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To: Rebelbase

No so. CSS Virginia’s casement armor plating was 4 inches thick. USS Monitor’s turret armor plating was 8 inches thick.


30 posted on 03/10/2021 11:39:19 AM PST by Bull Snipe
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To: Mariner
Hmmm, I might argue about, "In addition to being the prettiest ships ever built, they sure could handle rough seas."

My ship, USS Ault, DD 698 is right up there in looks!


31 posted on 03/10/2021 11:40:43 AM PST by Cuttnhorse (Nothing dies harder than a lie that people want to believe)
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To: KC Burke
What was the name and class of your ship?

USS Charles F. Adams DDG-2 -- first of it's class, and still (Mariner's opinion doesn't count) the best of them all.

32 posted on 03/10/2021 11:45:39 AM PST by Magnatron
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To: ptsal

>>Hope the navy has the ballast calculations worked out.

Math is racist.


33 posted on 03/10/2021 11:53:44 AM PST by vikingd00d (chown -R us ~you/base)
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To: wastedyears
We keep upping the ante regarding destroyer sized ships' capabilities:

ASW
Anti-ship using long-range missiles
Anti-aircraft using long-range missiles
Shore support using cruise missiles
Long-range capable guns
Carry a helicopter (maybe even an F35 Marine version in the future)
All the electrical power and electronics for the above

Basically, take a tiny ship and expect it to have the defensive and offensive capabilities in terms of ordnance delivery of a WWII cruiser or battleship.

Just the ordnance and electronics alone are very expensive, then we cram all of it into a small hull along with an overpowered propulsion system. Not surprising they cost a fortune are maintenance nightmares.

34 posted on 03/10/2021 11:58:11 AM PST by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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To: Magnatron

Been there and done that. That’s the Adam class destroyers, the first US guided missile destroyers.

Was in a typhoon near Hokkaido, Japan on one of them. Seas so large we were “going over one wave, under two” The carrier sailors we were screening said we looked like a submarine.

While going under a wave our screws would come out of the water shaking the whole ship. This while the carrier was taking green water on her flight deck.

Sturdy built destroyers, they were.


35 posted on 03/10/2021 12:02:38 PM PST by sasportas
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To: TexasGator

? What would give you that reputation?
(Nuclear Eng, 14 years Navy, been in the Navy and power plant fields since 74. )


36 posted on 03/10/2021 12:13:50 PM PST by Robert A Cook PE (Method, motive, and opportunity: No morals, shear madness and hatred by those who cheat.)
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To: Cuttnhorse

“they sure could handle rough seas.”

Yes the could, but it was a bitch being on one when they were taking water over the foc’stle and 22 degree rolls.
I was on USS Vogelgesang DD862


37 posted on 03/10/2021 12:16:06 PM PST by Bull Snipe
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To: PAR35

They fired the prototype shells - about a million a shot.


38 posted on 03/10/2021 12:16:08 PM PST by Little Ray (The Government is always its own largest and most important Special Interest. .)
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To: Robert A Cook PE

“? What would give you that reputation?”

Reading your post!


39 posted on 03/10/2021 12:21:09 PM PST by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: Mariner

Half of our sub crew were barfing so bad they couldn’t stand watch when leaving Hong Kong.


40 posted on 03/10/2021 12:23:52 PM PST by TexasGator (Z1z)
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