Biden State Department Refuses Americans at Kabul Airport

https://stream.org ^ | By MIKE HUCKABEE Published on August 30, 2021

[billakay]

An American citizen is an American citizen. It does not matter what other citizenships an individual holds, or if they only leverage their rights when "convenient". That is the nice thing about rights...they do not expire, even if you don't use them.

A US citizen who lives abroad for 50 years and lets his passport expire, then spontaneously decides to renew and leverage his passport, is no less American than you and I.

[billakay]

But there is dual-citizenship. It is legal, and it is practiced.

For all practical purposes, it is easy. If a person has a US Passport, they are American. Full stop. There are no additional "levels".

[Reno89519]

I respectfully disagree. There are lots of folks who have US citizenship for convenience, and travel and stay overseas with their own passports, using the US passport only when it is helpful or necessary. It is wrong, it is disrespectful, it is disloyal, and it should not be allowed. When a person takes US citizenship, they should, whether by law or out of respect for their adopted country, renounce their former citizenship.And anyone traveling to a war zone, needs to be considered as a potential enemy combatant, put on a no-fly list, have their passport flagged.

[billakay]

This is exactly the issue on this thread. Many people seem to want to pretend that additional citizenships somehow dilute US citizenship. This is categorically false.

Most people with dual citizenship will never encounter a moment where their duties under each citizenship conflict. Even, so, when this happens, the conflict can usually be resolved.

[billakay]

Many people hold multiple passports, and use whichever one is more convenient at the time. I don't see it as disloyal at all, as long as an actual, tangible conflict between duties of each citizenship does not exist. For example, if a person is a citizen of both an EU country and the USA, why would they ever try to enter the EU on a US passport? It does not hurt anyone to use whatever passport gives the best status.

You also discount people who were born with dual citizenships, or were born American and may have acquired additional citizenships for various reasons. This isn't a one-way street.

[PapaBear3625]

Most of the Afghans that they did let onto the planes didnt do anything for American soldiers... Why were they chosen to be saved ???

Perhaps they were the gay lovers of the State Department people?

And, no, I'm not kidding.

[Tennessee Nana]

Legally there is no such thin g as dual citizenship..

Im a nationalized American citizen...

Before I could become an American I had to denounce my alliance with New Zealand ...

That meant for a month until the nationalization ceremony I belonged to no country....My NZ passport was no longer valid and I could not leave the US...NZ cut their ties with me...I could not call upon NZ for help at the Embassies...

My Alien Registration Card ...(green card).. gave me legality to ‘reside” during that time but I could not leave...

Once I became an American citizen I could get an American passport, hold a government job and vote...

These were American citizens who Joe turned away from the gates of the airport...(not all of them born in Afghanistan but some in the US) turned away...

Why ???

There were also Afghan nationals who were green card holders with Afghan passports who had every right to travel to the US but they were turned away...

Why ???

There were Afghan nationals who had SIV visas becvause they had worked for the US as translators or soldiers etc and had earned the right to travel to the US with the evacuations with their vised families turned away...

Why ???

Even now Joe is lying like the dog he is...

Why ???

What has he murdered all those American citizens and others and abandoned them to the tender mercies of the Taliban and Isis and Al Kada...

Will it ever be safe for American citizens to travel overseas ???

I believe we will see a return of the skyjacking and attacks on Americans both here and aboard...

Joe has made it dangerous again...

Why ???

[Tennessee Nana]

So today Joe claimed he reached out to Americans in Afghanistan 19 times since March to tell them to leave the country...

OK there should be lists of the names of the Americans he warned...

Who are they ???

Let’s have them ....

Did they leave at all...

Did he let them leave...

Names...

[marron]

Turning US citizens away at the gate, after they somehow managed to get past the Talibs, is as dishonorable a thing as I can imagine. The guards who did that under orders will have to live with that as long as they live. The men who ordered it should have their names made public and they should be court-martialed.

And the White House that ordered it makes me sick to my stomach.

The “dual citizenship” story is a red herring. They were citizens. End of story.

[JustaTech]

Apparently some people are on the “retrieve” list, and some aren’t. It would be fascinating to know the criteria for either disposition.

[Reno89519]

No, you’re either in American or you’re not. It’s very simple.

[billakay]

Listen, I'm also a natural-born American, but this a very "ethnocentric" position. I still think America is the best, but if anything, my time spent outside of the US have taught me to be more humble, and less arrogant about my nationality. Let's also be fair...you talk about the convenience of US citizenship, but it's not all roses. That "convenience" comes with responsibilities. For example, the requirement to declare and pay tax on ALL worldwide income, for the rest of your life, regardless of where you are domiciled!

To get back to the topic at hand, the fact of the matter is that for at least the last 100 years, the international order has not considered citizenship truly mutually exclusive by its nature. Of course, each country has the right to have its own rules, with some forbidding the practice and other explicitly allowing it.

As far as our American citizenship goes, the constitution does not forbid multiple citizenship, so therefore, it must be allowed. The most important SCOTUS case on the topic in the 20th century (Afroyim v. Rusk) affirmed that US citizens may not be deprived of their citizenship without their consent (and that acts like naturalizing, voting, etc. in another country may not be used as a reason to deprive an American of citizenship.

[Reno89519]

Legal or not, anyone coming to America, should renounce their foreign allegiances and citizenship in order to become an American citizen. I’ve been to 50 countries around the world, and I realize everybody wants to come here. Come here comes with responsibilities and not dual allegiances. That they went to a war zone, to a country where Americans are/were dying. Now they want our help? Sure, put them on no fly list, freeze the assets until investigated for terrorist ties.

[billakay]

If you want this to be the case, then you should advocate for, and pass a constitutional amendment to that effect.

Respectfully, you use the world "should". This is your opinion, and you are entitled to it. However, to implement what you suggest would currently be unconstitutional, as Americans have the absolute right to their citizenship REGARDLESS of any other act they perform.

To have this NOT be the case would open a giant can of worms, as then the Congress/Executive together (who represent "we the people") would be empowered to create terms under which certain citizens could be deprived of that citizenship. They could therefore manipulate who they represent by throwing people out of the system. This is antithetical to the spirit of that system.

Again, not all dual-citizens were Americans second or even exclusively. Some foreign citizens acquire American citizenship by naturalization. Other American citizens acquire foreign citizenships by naturalization. Still others acquire multiple citizenships at birth by no affirmative act of their own. No matter what, ALL of these American citizens are Americans, the same as you and I, and once American citizenship is acquired, it cannot be deprived without the consent of the citizen. Dual-citizens cannot be treated any worse than those with single citizenship.