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Dr. Joseph Mercola: What Does It Mean to ‘Trust the Science’?
Based underground ^ | September 25, 2021 | Dr. Joseph mercola

Posted on 09/25/2021 5:55:09 PM PDT by NoLibZone

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To: Stepan12
The Milgram experiment, like the Stanford Prison experiment and Kinsey Report, had lots of unreported problems. To me, there is a real question if they reflect more on the experimenter's professionalism than anything else. One wonders if they experiments were created to justify foregone conclusions.

These studies became justification for action, regardless of how truthful they were. What we see is, the Federal system, news, elites of all stripes act as if the public has been influenced. When the public refuses to be influenced according to plan, mass punishment follows. Just like a authoritarian regime.

For your references:
Unpublished data from Stanley Milgram’s experiments cast doubt on his claims about obedience
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2015/01/rethinking-one-of-psychologys-most-infamous-experiments/384913/ (Atlantic, use alternate browsing)
Credibility and Incredulity in Milgram’s Obedience Experiments: A Reanalysis of an Unpublished Test

21 posted on 09/25/2021 8:19:50 PM PDT by Widget Jr
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To: NoLibZone

Its a command to the peons to stfu and do what we tell you.


22 posted on 09/25/2021 8:25:22 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not Averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: NoLibZone
It generally means:

Trust the quack science that backs the Left's position
and don't you dare bring up any sound studies or science
that contradicts the Left's position.

23 posted on 09/25/2021 8:42:57 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Biden = Green Light to > China, N. K., Russia, M/E Terrorists, FBI, CDC, MSM, & the Left...)
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To: DoughtyOne

I would mostly trust the grunts at CDC and NIH. The grunts usually know what they are doing. The problem is that from the outset the career bureaucrats and politicians have been running this. Orange Man Bad + Fauci Failure (as he did with AIDS) + Media Fearporn = our current disaster.

The best way to frame our COVID response would be if you took your Ford in to the shop and the boardroom showed up in suits to fix it while they hid the guys with greasy hands in the closet. The “suits” are trying to fix this and failing. Bigly.


24 posted on 09/25/2021 8:47:48 PM PDT by volunbeer (Find the truth and accept it - anything else is delusional)
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To: volunbeer

I’d imagine there’s a lot of truth in that.


25 posted on 09/25/2021 8:58:10 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Biden = Green Light to > China, N. K., Russia, M/E Terrorists, FBI, CDC, MSM, & the Left...)
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To: NoLibZone

It means they are gaining faith in scientism, their new religion.

The root word of science [and technology] is ‘knowledge’. The root word of Mystery is ‘knowledge covered’. The root word of Babylon is from Tower of Babel which was the ‘Tower of Knowledge’. The bible predicts a worldwide religion called ‘Mystery,Babylon’ in the end times. It is here, now, with its high priests and sacrifices and temples and rituals.


26 posted on 09/25/2021 9:23:21 PM PDT by Kevmo (I’m immune from Covid since I don’t watch TV.🤗)
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To: AZJeep
I have read and excellent article about great scientific arguments against Galileo. 99% scientists in Galileo time scientifically refuted all his arguments...

The point of the Galileo episode was the conflict between science and religion. Those opposing him were in no way making scientific arguments.

There's a reason many consider him the father of modern science.

27 posted on 09/25/2021 9:39:09 PM PDT by semimojo
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To: Brian Griffin
"Covid variants can come and go before their related science can be fleshed out well."

Not much of a skeptic are you?

28 posted on 09/25/2021 11:43:14 PM PDT by WMarshal ("Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither.")
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To: NoLibZone

It means giving into whatever criminal leftist democrat think about on any given day.


29 posted on 09/26/2021 4:14:59 AM PDT by joma89 (Buy weapons and ammo, folks, and have the will to use them.)
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To: Widget Jr
Yeah, Nancy Pelosi says trust the science, but so many people know she is lying. Many people know she means trust Fauci because the lib//commies like him.
30 posted on 09/26/2021 9:23:23 AM PDT by Stepan12 ("...aTo the American gulag with this guy.nd with the beasts of the earth.")
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To: semimojo

The point of the Galileo episode was the conflict between science and religion. Those opposing him were in no way making scientific arguments.

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You are wrong!
It is presented that way nowadays.
But no, there were excellent scientific argument presented against Galileo.
Plus, Galileo communication skills were apparently lacking, to say that gently.
In Galileo times, the leading scientists of that time presented very good arguments against Galileo theories.
Most convincing:
The lack of observable star parallax was an excellent argument. It took several hundred years after Galileo to observe them.
The lack of understanding of the Airy patterns in scope was a second argument.
If stars are so far, we cannot observe their parallax, they have to be of immerse size size sine we can observe their size in the scope! Well, we cannot, but it appeared that way, because the optical theories were lacking.
Because of these arguments, most scientists of Galileo time did not believe in his theories. That’s a fact!


31 posted on 09/26/2021 12:07:52 PM PDT by AZJeep (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0AHGreco RomNQkryIIs)
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To: AZJeep

This is an excellent example to today’s science. 99% scientists opposed Galileo in his time. It too several discoveries afterwards to make his ideas even plausible.
Even if I “trust Faucci”?!, something could be discovered next years which explains everything and all his ideas will turned out wrong.
So it is the global warming science, which sits on even more doubtful theories than Faucci’s ideas.


32 posted on 09/26/2021 1:35:17 PM PDT by AZJeep (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0AHGreco RomNQkryIIs)
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To: AZJeep
...there were excellent scientific argument presented against Galileo.

I may have overstated it a little saying all the opposition was religious but it wasn't Brahe's or other astronomers' arguments used against him in his Inquisition. It was the claim of heresy.

Yes, science advances and we add to and refine what's known, but Galileo didn't live out his life under house arrest and wasn't forced to recant his theories due to scientific disagreements.

33 posted on 09/27/2021 7:38:40 AM PDT by semimojo
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To: semimojo

Well, actually you are wrong again.
Galileo was really punished for making caricature of the pope (Who was actually quite supportive to him before that). Apparently, Galileo was no a likable person. He had great skill of making enemies. They used religion to punish a person who was making fun of them and who they hated. Human. You do not make fun of somebody in power.
And, they actually used some scientific arguments in the trial.

From Wikipedia.
Views on Galileo’s scientific arguments
Observations that favored the heliocentric model over the geocentric model were lacking and not obvious at the time of Galileo’s trial in the early 1600s.[71] Direct evidence supporting heliocentrism had to wait for the emergence of Newtonian mechanics in the late 17th century, the observation of the stellar aberration of light by James Bradley in the 18th century, the analysis of orbital motions of binary stars by William Herschel in the 19th century, and the accurate measurement of the stellar parallax in the 19th century.[72][73] According to physicist Christopher Graney, Galileo’s own observations did not actually support the Copernican heliocentric view, but were more consistent with Tycho Brahe’s hybrid model where the Earth did not move, and everything else circled around it and the Sun.[74]


34 posted on 09/27/2021 10:42:06 AM PDT by AZJeep (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0AHGreco RomNQkryIIs)
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To: AZJeep
Well, actually you are wrong again.

"By 1615, Galileo's writings on heliocentrism had been submitted to the Roman Inquisition by Father Niccolò Lorini, who claimed that Galileo and his followers were attempting to reinterpret the Bible...

In February 1616, an Inquisitorial commission declared heliocentrism to be "foolish and absurd in philosophy, and formally heretical since it explicitly contradicts in many places the sense of Holy Scripture"...

Galileo was found "vehemently suspect of heresy" (though he was never formally charged with heresy, relieving him of facing corporal punishment),[143] namely of having held the opinions that the Sun lies motionless at the centre of the universe, that the Earth is not at its centre and moves, and that one may hold and defend an opinion as probable after it has been declared contrary to Holy Scripture. He was required to "abjure, curse and detest" those opinions."

Are you now going to tell me that it was Brahe and the other astronomers who sentenced Galileo to house arrest for the rest of his life?

For scientific disagreements?

35 posted on 09/27/2021 11:59:12 AM PDT by semimojo
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To: Widget Jr

“One wonders if they experiments were created to justify foregone conclusions.”

Milgram thought that there was something wrong with the Germans, something uniquely evil that he did not expect to find in Americans.


36 posted on 09/27/2021 7:47:08 PM PDT by dsc (Their swords and every terrible implement of the soldier are the birthright of Americans.)
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