Exclusive—Victor Davis Hanson: California Is a Confederate Society with ‘Sick Fixation’ on Race

Breitbart ^ | 27 Dec 2021 | ROBERT KRAYCHIK

[GOPJ]

...told me the same thing. There is no middle class in CA. Just rich and poor.

That's also similar to a third world hellhole...

[jeffersondem]

“The lie just won’t die.”

That is an interesting comment. Please explain.

[Regulator]

As long ago as 1993, VCT - Voices of Citizens Together - was staging rallies in Van Nuys and Thousand Oaks to raise the visibility of illegal immigration in both the LA Basin and the San Fernando Valley.

At those rallies we could routinely expect to be attacked and harassed by Mexican thugs. Back then the local cops would actually stop them, and maybe even pull in the BP.

That was a lifetime ago. But it's still pretty vivid in my memory. There were many black people in those meetings because they were the ones getting hit the hardest: illegals in division strength were settling in their neighborhoods, 3 families to a house, jostling them out of their jobs as well.

Pretty explosive.

VCT and Muriel Watson teamed up to write Proposition 187 in 1993-94. This started a massive upheaval in California politics that pitted old guard Democrats who were supposedly 100% against illegal immigration against their emerging new constituency, the illegals themselves. You've probably never heard Dianne Feinstein say anything like this since about 1999.

There was violence and the emergence of a new gang of fierce opponents: Kevin De Leon, Gill Cedillo and a young guy who came out later that was an affirmative action admit to MIT, now Senator from California Alex Padilla. These guys were all vociferous against 187, and some of the old guard Chicano activists like Antonio Villaraigosa got a lot of traction too: Villaraigosa ended up Mayor of Los Angeles(!).

But 187 won that year going away.

From that time to the early 2000's, I never heard of some guy at Stahn-ford named Victor Hanson. Not once. He was nowhere in the big fight for 187, and the ensuing war over the lawsuit to stop 187 which resulted in Federal Judge Mariana Pfaelzer throwing out much of the proposition on the theory that "only dee federal goberment can make dee eemeegration law". That was the mantra of the Invader Front.

And it was BS. 187 could stand on its own, although parts of it WERE written to directly contradict Plyler v. Doe. It was always intended to end up in the Supreme Court.

But the battle over it spilled over into 1998 and the Governors race that year between Gray Davis and Dan Lungren, where Davis said "I am not a judge" and implied he would let the CA AG appeal it to the SCOTUS. He won in part by saying that. But when he was sworn in, he went back on that implication: he allowed 187 to be negotiated away by using the Arbitration Service of the 9th Circuit, at which the two opposing sides were his guys from the CA AG office, and his guys in the Rat Party, Mexican Invader Division, i.e. Kevin De Leon, Art Torres et al. They all shook hands over the table and said 187 was dead.

This in fact was the slippery slope to Davis' recall which again those of us involved happily hastened.

Note that we have still not heard from any guy named Hanson.

But then he does come out with the book, which of course used the cute slur word for California that all of us had been using, and this was out of the blue, in July of 2003, rather LATE to the party...which had been hot since 1993, or even 1989 if you count Muriel Watson's activism in San Diego.

But the book was sort of esoteric, and academic, and inconclusive along with being non-committal about what to do. Well, lots of us had been doing a whole lot for the 10 years previous, like turning the friggin' state of California upside down.

VDH appeared to be an academic trying to draft on the movement. And it's only been in the last few years that he's managed to generate some real emotion on the point of "What to Do". He WAS a Democrat back in the day, and it apparently took him a long time to shuck that coat. That's nice. He's now where we all were back in the early '90s. Oh hell, I don't know if he even agrees with 187 as written. Probably still thinks it's a bit harsh.

The guy who did all the hard work was Glenn Spencer, whose website is now defunct. But AFAIK Glenn is still on the border, doing what he can, which was a lot.

VDH got more national attention after the book, but it's not his primary focus. He's a broader commentator out of Hoover Institution and the Invasion was just an entre into the commentariat world. And had he promoted the hard line solutions - deportation, no freebies whatsoever for illegals - he would not have been welcome in the East Coast network forums. But I don't think he thought that way anyhow. Easier to just wring your hands, orate, and work on the next TV appearance.

The result has been this:

'Member that? Woulda been unthinkable in 1990.

But not in 2016, after the Invasion has basically been successful, due to the unwillingness of the Softies like GW Bush, VDH, and the entire RINO wing of the "Republican" party.

[x]

He recommended assimilation at that point. His daughter married a Mexican guy.

I don't know if that's true. His surviving daughter is apparently married to someone of Irish or German or Duch ancestry.

Plenty of " Mexicans" in California have been "assimilated" for generations, and if assimilation in some degree isn't possible, goodbye America.

I don't think much of what VDH wrote about Bush's Iraq War, but I'd cut him some slack on the Civil War, unless you are equally critical of the many pro-Confederate propagandists out there.

[karnage]

VDH has been speaking and writing about it for many years.

[Tijeras_Slim]

My niece married a old family “Mexican” in California. Their daughter is 10th generation Californian. They’re more conservative than I am.

[Toespi]

They sure do. My radically liberal California niece proclaimed that she couldn’t imagine living anywhere without many people of color in the community, “surrounding her with diversity and history”. I am positive none of her neighbors or friends are people of color. The business they own do not have black employees either. So I have no idea what she is talking about.

[robowombat]

I don’t know either. Some of this sort thing is just irrational thinking. Hanson was a through neo con and cheered the Bush clan’s global civilizing mission. Much of his thinking maybe infected with Straussian ideas.

[DoodleDawg]

Still, Hanson ought to think through his allegations. For accuracy's sake.

Why? You don't.

[BroJoeK]

jeffersondem: "During the war, for example, blacks in the Confederate army typically fought in integrated units; it was the north that fought in segregated units."

x: "The lie just won't die."

central_va: "It won't die because it is not a lie."

Sure, in the same sense that many Southern households were "integrated" -- blacks & whites living peacefully alongside each other, singing "Kumbaya My Lord", a real Garden of Eden, yessiree.

The truth is there were, all told, likely hundreds of thousands of black slaves serving Confederate armies -- setting up camps, digging fortifications, driving supply wagons, etc.
They helped out in every possible function except one -- they were never enlisted as soldiers to fight alongside whites.
Proposals to enlist slaves by the likes of CSA Gen. Patrick Cleburne were systematically squelched until too late in the war to make a difference.

But when a few slaves were finally enlisted, in 1865, it was in, yes sir, segregated units with white officers.

[BroJoeK]

from the article: "California is a neo-Confederate state with a 'sick fixation' on ethnicity and race"

Pelham: "Sometimes I suspect that VDH is a bigoted neocon fool.
Other times he removes all doubt."

Both California and the old Confederacy are/were ruled over by insane Democrats, who used race as their organizing principle to keep themselves wealthy & powerful, and who hated the United States to the point of Nullification and even violence against it.

Of course, you old-time Southern Democrats & Dixiecrats don't like being compared to modern-day socialist Democrats, too bad, but you think, or did, the same as they do.
So you could be useful in helping us figure out how to beat their sorry *sses, but first you'd have to ditch your own grievances, and start thinking about how to save our country instead of yet more reasons to destroy it -- like typical Democrats.

[jeffersondem]

“The lie just won’t die.”

This was your response to my statement: “During the war, for example, blacks in the Confederate army typically fought in integrated units; it was the north that fought in segregated units.”

To be clear, are you denying northern armies placed black soldiers into segregated units? Do you claim that is a lie?

[x]

The lie is that the Confederacy had racially integrated fighting units. Where is your proof that they had something that they resisted officially creating until the end of the war? Somebody claimed to have seen Black troops training in the last days of the war, but the unit wasn't integrated and didn't see combat.

But you're sort of the Confederate class clown or court jester, so maybe you understand why people don't bother to engage with you.

[Pelham]

You should just number your usual propaganda screeds to save time. We’ve all seen them before and no one is impressed. Its like listening to some old soviet drone on about the glories of the revolution

[central_va]

In August 1861, Douglass published an account of the First Battle of Bull Run, which noted that there were blacks in the Confederate ranks. A few weeks later, Douglass brought the subject up again, quoting a witness to the battle who said they saw black Confederates “with muskets on their shoulders and bullets in their pockets.

[jeffersondem]

“. . . and start thinking about how to save our country . . .”

Challenge accepted. I recommend we teach history again to save our country, starting here:

“That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,. . That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”

To save our country it will be essential to teach young students why a southerner proposed secession from Britain, why a southerner wrote the Declaration of Independence, why a southerner became the Father of Our Country, why a southerner became the Father of the Constitution, why a southerner became the Father of the Bill of Rights.

[DoodleDawg]

To save our country it will be essential to teach young students why a southerner proposed secession from Britain, why a southerner wrote the Declaration of Independence, why a southerner became the Father of Our Country, why a southerner became the Father of the Constitution, why a southerner became the Father of the Bill of Rights.

Is this before or after we're supposed to teach that all Confederate units were integrated and segregation didn't exist in the South until after the rebellion?

[jeffersondem]

“The lie is that the Confederacy had racially integrated fighting units.”

So you don’t dispute the claim that northern armies fought in segregated units?

And why should you, considering the context of the times?

In fact, I don’t think the victorious federal army did away with segregated units until 1947.

[DiogenesLamp]

Racism has no bearing on the point being made.

[DoodleDawg]

Racism has no bearing on the point being made.

What is the point being made?