How free speech is under attack in the U.S.

CBS News ^ | February 20, 2022

[Monorprise]

Glad the left is suddenly interested in free speech. But Teachers are public employees paid to speak on behalf of the the State NOT themselves.

They can say whatever they want outside of the classroom on their own time, but not on the Taxpayers dime before a captive audience of children who don’t know any better.

[Andy'smom]

Major pantload. This is in response to an anti-CRT law.

[Mr. Mojo]

<< Jennifer Given, who teaches high-school history in Hollis, New Hampshire, said of the laws, “It’s about making up false narratives to further a political goal of your own.” >>

Projection alert.

[Mr. Mojo]

On the money.

[Dalberg-Acton]

It’s the MSM begging for censorship. Watch the WH press gaggles. Or is it gargles?

[lasereye]

Utterly false logic, of course. Teachers have a captive audience.

That's a good point. Some other points:

1. Free speech doesn't apply to employees when they are at work. This is a point that the lefties always make when a conservative gets fired, like Kurt Schilling who holds conservative views on gay marriage. In fact conservatives like Schilling get fired for holding views that they never expressed during work, and the lib cretins think that's fine too. Yet all of a sudden a teacher is permitted to say whatever they want when they are on the clock apparently. It's Orwellian.
2. The teachers didn't decide on their own to teach the stuff that the laws are stopping anyway. It is something they were told to teach as part of a curriculum. Thus they aren't exercising their free speech anyway when they teach that garbage. Most of them may agree with it but that's beside the point.
3. If a teacher wants to talk against CRT or whatever, they won't be permitted to. The same cretins who are allegedly in favor of free speech for teachers would be the ones who would want the teacher fired, justifying it on the grounds that employees don't have free speech when at work.

[cp124]

CBS=Stop reading.

[PIF]

“But what I don’t understand is, this is New Hampshire, whose motto is, ‘Live Free or Die’!”

“Yeah, yeah,” Given laughed. “There’s a lot of emphasis on the ‘or die’ part of late!”

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NH motto has changed it now “Live enslaved or Die.” With ‘Die” standing for Diversity, Inclusion, Equity.

[Tzimisce]

Your free speech is gone.

You probably shouldn’t have given it to the American Left - but they were going to call you “racist.”

[Bayan]

Completely ignoring the absolute fact that voices on the right are regularly, viciously and violently silenced within the educational establishment. One of the worst cases of projection I have ever seen.

[itsahoot]

Funny thing is if you said half the things they teach about perversion they would lock you up for being a pervert.

[Westbrook]

Funny thing is if you said half the things they teach about perversion they would lock you up for being a pervert.

Yes, where I come from it was AGAINST THE LAW to show those kinds of pictures and say those kinds of things to a minor.

You could be arrested for "corrupting the morals of a minor."

But now you can do it in the guise of "education".

[Tacrolimus1mg]

Wow. They really have some nerve, huh?

[piasa]

None of the rules prevent teachers from exercising their free speech. They can still write letters to the editor, call their congressmen, post videos on their own time, etc. The rules are there to insure they do it on their own time, and not on their employer’s and students’ time.

[piasa]

Hmmm...who funds PEN America?

[wintertime]

Re: Teachers have a captive audience.
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Please read my tag line.

[wintertime]

Re: Establishing school curricula always involves choices of what to include and what to exclude.
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Those choices are never politically, culturally, or religiously neutral. Philosophic neutrality is impossible in the mind of any sentient human. It is impossible in schools, too.

Solution: Complete separation of school and state. Obviously, that is politically impossible at this time. Vouchers, charters, and tax credits are becoming more popular and would ease the transition.

[wintertime]

re: captive audience
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Children, whose parents can not ransom them with home or private schooling, are required by law to imprison themselves in these indoctrination centers. ( please read my tag line.)

And....All residents of this nation support ( by force of law) the corrupt indoctrination centers. Even the poorest pay for indoctrination centers since business property taxes are imbedded in the price of everything they purchase.

[wintertime]

Re: Classrooms aren’t a free speech zone
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They definitely aren’t for the children. That’s for certain!

[Monorprise]

The idea of public schooling is only a few hundred years old at best, and really quite intentionally designed from the beginning to create a uniform population indoctrainted by the State.

This was actually sold as somehow “necessary” for democracy despite democracy having at that point survived for generations or hundreds of years without it. And the idea itself having been imported from a land where its creation was quite exilically for the propose of creating a more loyal and controllable population from which to draft soldiers for the state unelected rulers.

Still we can argue there is some benefit to everyone being able to read at least as a means of enhancing the diversity of commutation, and everyone understanding how pollical system works provided both ideas are very carefully monitored and checked.

I would however dispute that mandatory schooling is the only way to do that or even justifiable or wise if it were. It does after all open itself up to the very abuses for which such mandatory public schooling was originally invented by oppressive states.