Posted on 03/06/2022 7:29:17 AM PST by Navy Patriot
Did your account get hacked by a Russian?
“Ze was talking about obtaining nukes in Munich.”
Lie.
Ukraine gave up its nukes — that Ukraine inherited when the USSR collapsed — in the 1990s, for a guarantee by UK, USA, and Russia to protect its sovereignty and security. What Zelensky said at Munich, some two weeks before Russia invaded, was that Ukraine made a mistake in surrendering those nukes by accepting such security guarantees.
That is hardly “talk about obtaining nukes.” But, tovarishch, you know that; you are nothing but a Putinista propagandist.
Ukraine developing/deploying nuclear weapons was mentioned by both sides, you just weren't paying attention...par for the course imo
President Zelensky Suggests Ukraine May Pursue Nuclear Weapons To Counter Russia, Putin Responds
The way I take articles like this from ‘questionable’ sources is what the FBI would do (when they’re not trying frame Trump, that is) and look for corroboration, such as the following:
Thanks for the Kiev. Kyiv has become instantly universally politically correct and it is nice to see an occasional sign of actual intelligence.
For me it will always be Kiev.
Listen to the speech again. How else can you interpret the intent to denounce Budapest?
It is kind of interesting that these stories from TASS, containing information that should be months old, never came out prior to the invasion.
This is just crap the Russian government is telling its people to justify the invasion. They never would have tried to run a story like this prior to the invasion because it could have been investigated, and the whole world would have known it was ridiculous.
That is a story that literally came out the day before the invasion. And it doesn’t contain even a hint that Ukraine had actually done anything regarding nuclear weapons.
When stories like this are being considered authoritative by Putin supporters here, it demonstrates pretty clearly that there's no point even discussing this anymore.
What really sucks is that this stuff is going to be used by Democrats to show that a lot of Republicans were Putin supporters. A very nice bit of ammo that our "fellow conservatives" have handed to the other side prior to the midterms.
“Look at the calendar, its 2022.”
Seriously, WTF are you talking about?
The first version of this propaganda was published in RIA Novosti yesterday. I was going to link it but their website is down or blocked at the moment, perhaps Anonymous has gotten to them. That report claimed that the Ukrainian government was building nuclear weapons with the assistance of America.
Putin has offered to the Russian public various phony rationales for the invasion of Ukraine, which have had varying success, and the regime has been evaluating which phony rationales are the most effective.
One of the justifications given to the Russian public for the invasion is the claim by Putin that Ukraine was in the process of building atomic bombs. This lie seem to be getting a little bit of traction with the Russian public.
Because Putin said it, now the media such as TASS and RIA Novosti and the intelligence services have to fabricate something they can point to to substantiate Putin's lie.
The "FSB Whistleblower" letter actually discussed this point, and why it is going to be hard for the media and the intelligence service to succeed with this lie:
At the same time, the soil is being prepared to turn everything to Ukraine - Naryshkin and his SVR are now digging the earth to prove that they secretly created nuclear weapons there. Damn, they are now hammering on what we have long studied and dismantled: you can’t draw evidence here on your knee, and the presence of specialists and uranium (Ukraine has a lot of depleted isotope 238) is nothing. There the production cycle is such that you can’t do it imperceptibly. You can’t even make a “dirty” bomb imperceptibly, but the fact that their old nuclear power plants can produce weapons-grade plutonium (plants like REB-1000 produce it in minimal quantities as a “by-product” of the reaction) - so the Americans introduced such control there with the involvement of the IAEA, that sucking on the topic is stupid.
https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1500196510054637569
“Listen to the speech again. How else can you interpret the intent to denounce Budapest?”
Easy. All he said was Ukraine screwed up by agreeing to the “deal”; kind of like that “Animal House” scene: “You f**ked up; you trusted us.”
Zelensky made his comments about two weeks before Russia launched its invasion, an invasion Putin had been setting in motion for many months. Even before Zelensky’s comments, Russia had some 150,000 troops on Ukraine’s borders, complete with invasion hardware and assets.
Nice try, tovarishch.
How do you interpret the intent to denounce “the rest of the provisions”?:)
“How do you interpret the intent to denounce “the rest of the provisions”?:)”
In contract law, breaking one element of a contract can void the entire contract. Perhaps that is the operative element here.
So, we all agree that he indeed threatened to nuke up...
“So, we all agree that he indeed threatened to nuke up...”
Nice try, tovarishch. He declared no such intention. You love your fallacies, don’t you?
However if you want to credit me for not putting the Woke, Virtue Signal name of the Capitol City of Ukraine in parenthesis, I accept.
How else do you interpret it?
“How else do you interpret it?”
I’d say his thinking was, “If we still had nukes, Russia would not invade us.”
Russia has launched several military adventures since WWII, and not ONE of them has been against anyone who had a nuke. So, on the whole, nukes would seem to be great deterrents.
You get it, tovarishch.
Ever heard of that thing called "The Korean Conflict?"
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