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Definition of “Frame or Receiver” and Identification of Firearms (New "Ghost Guns" final rule)
ATF.gov ^ | 11 April 2022 | ATF

Posted on 04/11/2022 11:30:31 AM PDT by Yo-Yo

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To: pierrem15
Patently unconstitutional. The BATFE cannot change the statutory definition, any more than the DEA can define a new drug as being a controlled substance without actually having its chemical formula defined by statute.

I agree with you, but what liberal appeals court wouldn't grant "Chevron Deference" to the ATF over these rules?

The Supreme Court would most likely turn down any case, so it would end at the appellate level.

41 posted on 04/11/2022 1:41:56 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary? Pray for President Biden: Psalm 109:8)
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To: Dead Corpse

Well, obviously.

But that is and was the purpose of the Constitution and probably most people you meet and ask don’t have a clue.


42 posted on 04/11/2022 1:42:49 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith….)
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To: metmom
.. most people you meet and ask don’t have a clue.

Very true. Some would even say that the decline of our education system over the last two decades had exactly that goal in mind.

Much easier to rule over ignorant people who won't fight for what they have lost.

43 posted on 04/11/2022 1:44:10 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (A Psalm in napalm...)
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To: Dead Corpse

What they don’t even know they have lost.

Tragically.


44 posted on 04/11/2022 1:44:48 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith….)
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To: Yo-Yo

Interesting. Now (by official definition) anyone who cleans their firearms can be considered a “gunsmith”.

Do I get an official parking place or at least a bumper sticker?


45 posted on 04/11/2022 1:55:22 PM PDT by rockrr ( Everything is different now...)
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To: PROCON

This is what happens when people don’t know the definition of a woman and they just make stuff up.


46 posted on 04/11/2022 2:28:36 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA (Scratch a leftist and you'll find a fascist )
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To: Erik Latranyi

“So, the new rules do not affect AR style firearms.”

I don’t think they apply to AR style firearms, including ARs made in the future.


47 posted on 04/11/2022 2:31:48 PM PDT by Wayne07
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To: Yo-Yo

How is this a law?


48 posted on 04/11/2022 2:37:22 PM PDT by dforest
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To: Yo-Yo

Sadly, this will be nothing but problems for us as confusion reigns.


49 posted on 04/11/2022 2:43:04 PM PDT by CodeToad (Arm up! They Have!)
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To: CodeToad

If the rulers get this new rule into effect, does that mean I can then order a lower from Palmetto States Armory and have it sent to my house? I could use a second lower, just in case.


50 posted on 04/11/2022 3:04:18 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: kinsman redeemer

I’ll show my serial number when I acquire a weapon from an aggressor. Since it is no longer We the People, I guess it is just Me the Person... I take seriously our/my Natural Right to self defense or the ABSOLUTE RIGHT to Keep and Bear Arms.

“In the course of Human events”, tyrannical govts arise, and the USA inc is One Big Dog dictatorship. We are ruled by a Politburo much in the same vein as the USSR was for decades. Instead of one head, there are many.

I wonder if there is a 10 headed commission, with three to be removed? NOooooo that would make the US what the Muzzies call us, The Great Satan. Oh well, it will do until the real Satan shows up.


51 posted on 04/11/2022 3:07:53 PM PDT by Glad2bnuts ((“If there are no absolutes by which to judge society, then society is absolute.” Francis Schaeffer,)
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To: MHGinTN

You see the issue. They’ll try to claim a non-serial lower and upper cannot be paired.


52 posted on 04/11/2022 3:22:34 PM PDT by CodeToad (Arm up! They Have!)
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To: Yo-Yo

maybe consider identifying as transgunder... 😁...


53 posted on 04/11/2022 3:26:37 PM PDT by heavy metal (smiling improves your face value and makes people wonder what the hell you're up to... 😁)
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To: MHGinTN

> I do not think my AR upper has a serial number

No, that would be very rare.


54 posted on 04/11/2022 3:57:23 PM PDT by old-ager
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To: Yo-Yo

To be fair, that now harmonizes it with other rifles. With the FAL, the upper receiver is the serialized part in the US.


55 posted on 04/11/2022 6:37:47 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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