Posted on 04/29/2022 9:47:38 AM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com
More info coming out.
The apartment building was next to the Artem factory. That factory makes rockets. That is from a Ukrainian source.
Also, the building the reporter was in was almost completely abandoned, there were only a few occupied apartments. That from the BBC.
Which makes sense - I can imagine that few people would want to live next door to a rocket manufacturing plant during a war.
I think a lot of us really admire the Ukrainian PEOPLE, and see them as heroic. Even if their leader is a POS. Much like many great Americans have fought for their country even if the President was a corrupt criminal like FDR or LBJ.
I don’t know Zelensky as a person. I’m sure that the government of Ukraine is as corrupt as any of its neighbors. I would not be surprised if actors there have been involved in some very nefarious dealings such as money laundering.
None of that changes the fact that Russia is utterly wrong and naked aggression such as invading your neighbor means that good and decent people will take joy in your injury, downfall, and relegation to status as a pariah state.
The fact that I was brought up during an era in which Russian nukes were pointing at my city whilst their leader was saying ‘We will bury you’ just makes it easier to take sides and harder to have any empathy for anyone who would consider Russia justified. I have vivid memories of bomb ‘shelter’ drills, and fall of the U.S.S.R. or no, the same bastards that wanted to wipe me off the map might have a President instead of a Chairman, but the more of ‘em that die, the better.
I don’t care about the government of Ukraine or their President. The Russians were wrong to invade, period. Don’t attempt to change the subject.
Huh?
That’s my point exactly.
Maybe check out my posts, or read the entirety of mine?
I’m saying exactly that- the Russians are the bad guys here, period, regardless of any other circumstances: Russia invaded a sovereign nation without provocation and deserves everything they get.
My post was in reference to this statement. But I read more of your posts. I see the point that your are making now. But yeah, other posters are wrong for making comments about Zelensky. They need to knock it off with that.
Thanks.
It wouldn’t matter *how* bad Ukraine’s government is or who they were harboring, there’s no justification for Russia’s actions.
Regards
There's a lot of $#itty governments out there. FWIW, I think the government of Ukraine had matured the past three decades in the aftermath of the collapse of the Soviet Union. But their crazy alcoholic parent is trying to drag them back to that former hellhole they were trying to escape from. Can't blame the Ukes a bit. They're in a tough neighborhood. And they're fighting like hell for their freedom.
Yep
You sound like the communist censors at Twitter. Like it or not, Zelensky and Putin are both relevant to any discussions on this. You don’t get to tell people what they can and can’t discuss.
My dad was a Navy recon pilot and served for 28 years. The Cold War was “his war.” I was a kid in Italy when the Soviets invaded Czechoslovakia and we were put on alert. We kids learned then what a “bug out bag” was, though fortunately, we didn’t have to leave.
The duck and cover drills were slightly before my time, but not by much. But hey, I got to do real duck and cover activities in Iraq, so it certainly isn’t an alien concept to me.
So if you were trying to invalidate my opinion with those experiences, you might want to go back to the drawing board. 😏
Russia sucks for invading Ukraine, but there is more to all of this than the storm of propaganda flying in our faces every day portrays. It’s not all black and white like so many seem to think.
https://www.npr.org/2022/04/29/1095465857/russia-kyiv-rocket-guterres
Why Russia’s rocket attack on Kyiv is seen as an insult to the U.N.
U.N. Secretary-General António Guterres had recently met in person with Russian President Vladimir Putin, and he was on a high-profile visit to Ukraine’s capital — but those circumstances weren’t enough to prevent Russia from launching a deadly attack on a residential area of Kyiv while Guterres visited the capital city Thursday night.
Ukrainian officials are calling the attack a “postcard from Moscow” and an insult to the United Nations.
The attack’s timing quickly set off suspicions
Five Russian missiles hit Kyiv “immediately” after Guterres and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy finished a meeting, Zelenskyy said. It was an intentional affront to the global diplomat, he added.
“This says a lot about Russia’s true attitude to global institutions,” Zelenskyy said Thursday night. “About the efforts of the Russian leadership to humiliate the U.N. and everything that the organization represents.”
Guterres arrived in Ukraine after meeting with Putin on Tuesday, hoping to de-escalate the war and guarantee humanitarian aid for civilians whose lives have been upended by Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. On Thursday, Guterres toured the ruined town of Borodyanka, northwest of Kyiv, which was bombed and occupied. For him, it evoked the evil and absurdity of war.
“I must say what I feel. I imagined my family in one of those houses that is now destroyed and black,” Guterres said. “I see my granddaughters running away in panic, part of the family eventually killed. So, the war is an absurdity in the 21st century. The war is evil.”
Guterres also spoke about the NEED TO RESPECT INTERNATIONAL LAW and about being at “ground zero” — remarks that later took on a chilling aspect after Russia sent a new attack into the capital.
The Russian military says it used “HIGH-PRECISION long-range air-based weapons” to destroy buildings related to the Artem rocket and space enterprise in Kyiv. BUT a visit to the scene found that the most visible damage was to an apartment building nearby. The building stands next to a factory that makes missile PARTS, BUT ALSO VACUUM CLEANERS.
“The duck and cover drills were slightly before my time”
There were “duck and cover drills” in Detroit elementary schools with trips to school basements all thru 50’s+
I didn’t start school until the early 60s. Kindergarten.
Detroit was a major, major manufacturing hub at the time.
There were always concerns.
I can remember my dad [ WWII Army Air Corp) would hear an plane overhead & identify it for us kids.
Interesting:
1. There are a total of eleven active military bases in Michigan, which include Army and Air Force bases.
Because Michigan is surrounded by the Great Lakes, it is one of the only inland states to have Coast Guard bases.
https://www.operationmilitarykids.org/military-bases-in-michigan/
[My Grandpa trained at Camp Custer for WW1]
2. I remember being in a tank at Selfridge when I was little :)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selfridge_Air_National_Guard_Base
For a battalion of around 1000, those Azov guys and gals sure get around... /s
Early on the Russians were boasting of how they were using “precision munitions”. They seemed to run out pretty quickly.
Unless... The Rooskies were trying to collapse this apt. tower. That’s the 1st thing I thought when I saw the pic of that hit.
I don’t see how I or anyone can “invalidate” your opinion.
I’m just saying that there is *ONE* fact that overrides and trumps all others: Russia violently attacked and invaded a sovereign state that had not attacked it. There is simply nothing that could justify this, nor is there any factor that could make me wish for anything other than ignominious and humiliating defeat for Putin and his forces.
Sometimes there are actual bad guys, sometimes things are pretty black and white. In my opinion, this is one of them.
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