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George W. Bush Tells Pranksters Why West Broke Promise to Russia Not to Expand NATO
Sputnik News ^
| 5/19/22
| Ilya Tsukanov
Posted on 05/19/2022 12:16:02 PM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow
Russia didn’t have the power to stop it.
To: marshmallow
Even though this is done by pranksters (supposedly) - a public admission like this is actually extremely serious stuff.
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posted on
05/19/2022 12:18:10 PM PDT
by
PGR88
To: marshmallow
We have figured out his word means nothing. Just like the Clintons.
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posted on
05/19/2022 12:19:26 PM PDT
by
alternatives?
(The only reason to have an army is to defend your borders.)
To: marshmallow
“Listen, times change. Baker was the secretary of state with my dad, which was years ago, and so, uh, the United States [was working under the] principle of adjusting to the times.The principle of adjusting to the times; yet another facet to the Bush foreign policy.
What a bum
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posted on
05/19/2022 12:21:28 PM PDT
by
JonPreston
(Q: Never have so many, been so wrong, so often)
To: marshmallow
A verbal contract is worth the paper it’s written on.
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posted on
05/19/2022 12:23:58 PM PDT
by
fruser1
To: marshmallow
To: marshmallow
Gosh, FReepers have denied this ever happened!
To: aMorePerfectUnion
FReepers have denied this ever happened!They are propagandists who *love* war.
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posted on
05/19/2022 12:32:02 PM PDT
by
JonPreston
(Q: Never have so many, been so wrong, so often)
To: marshmallow
George W. Bush Tells Pranksters Why West Broke Promise to Russia Not to Expand NATO Its been covered ad nauseam, there was no promise to not expand NATO, even Gorbachev says no such promise was made.
Russia and the West finally struck an agreement in September that would allow NATO to station its troops beyond the Iron Curtain. However, the deal only concerned a reunified Germany, with further eastward expansion being inconceivable at the time.
"The Soviet Union still existed and the countries of Eastern Europe were still part of the Soviet structures – like the Warsaw Pact – which was not officially dissolved until July 1991," said Amélie Zima, doctor of political science at the Thucydide Centre (Panthéon-Assas) in Paris. "We cannot speak of betrayal, because a chain of events that would rearrange the security configuration in Europe was about to take place."
In short, at a time when Westerners were offering the "guarantees" spoken of by Vladimir Putin, no one could have predicted the collapse of the USSR and the historic upheavals that followed.
https://www.france24.com/en/russia/20220130-did-nato-betray-russia-by-expanding-to-the-east
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posted on
05/19/2022 12:34:04 PM PDT
by
tlozo
(Trump-the Russian invasion of Ukraine is " truly a crime against humanity")
To: PGR88
Even though this is done by pranksters (supposedly) - a public admission like this is actually extremely serious stuff. Seriously? Bush is 75.
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posted on
05/19/2022 12:35:19 PM PDT
by
tlozo
(Trump-the Russian invasion of Ukraine is " truly a crime against humanity")
To: marshmallow
so sorry to have to say it but
we elect garbage and we get garbage
GIGO
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posted on
05/19/2022 12:36:43 PM PDT
by
faithhopecharity
(“Politicians are not born. They’re excreted.” Marcus Tillius Cicero (106 to 43 BCE))
To: JonPreston
They are:
Every one.
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posted on
05/19/2022 12:37:46 PM PDT
by
Seruzawa
("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
To: nickcarraway
Russia didn’t have the power to stop it.
Not quite - they didn't have the power that threatened countries that later joined. When Putin came to power and Russia started flexing, small unattached countries in easy strike range start thinking for themselves in a serious manner.
It's not that 'times change', but that 'situations change in time'.
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posted on
05/19/2022 12:37:59 PM PDT
by
larrytown
(A Cadet will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do. Then they graduate...)
To: PGR88
Even though this is done by pranksters (supposedly) - a public admission like this is actually extremely serious stuff. Yes - The Smirking Chimp is just another bloodthirsty neocon monkey.
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posted on
05/19/2022 12:39:16 PM PDT
by
kiryandil
(China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
To: marshmallow
“I wanted [Russia] on the fringe of NATO, I wanted Ukraine into NATO”, Bush, who served as US president between 2001 and 2009, told the pranksters, who posed as Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, in a portion of the interview that aired Thursday at a Russian educational forum. “I thought for a while that Russia would be more cooperative. And then [Vladimir] Putin changed dramatically”, Bush said.
“I felt that Ukraine needed to be in the EU and NATO”, he added.
What part of any of that sounds like the President of the United States? These statements really sum up, quite nicely in fact, that our political class has moved on from us. We're nothing more than the bill payers of their worldly aspirations.
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posted on
05/19/2022 12:39:42 PM PDT
by
liberalh8ter
(The only difference between flash mob 'urban yutes' and U.S. politicians is the hoodies.i)
To: tlozo; PGR88
You missed the Chimp’s Freudian slip, tlozo...
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posted on
05/19/2022 12:40:21 PM PDT
by
kiryandil
(China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
To: Seruzawa
Our Neocon Warriors on parade!!
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posted on
05/19/2022 12:44:05 PM PDT
by
JonPreston
(Q: Never have so many, been so wrong, so often)
To: kiryandil
You missed the Chimp’s Freudian slip, tlozo... Bush is 75.
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posted on
05/19/2022 12:46:35 PM PDT
by
tlozo
(Trump-the Russian invasion of Ukraine is " truly a crime against humanity")
To: nickcarraway
Russia didn’t have the power to stop it. It was also just a private verbal promise that the Soviets asked us to make formal in writing, and we refused. Both us and the Russians knew it had no meaning or value after the Administration that made it was out of office.
The promise wasn't broken - it expired.
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