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Don’t Charge that Electric Vehicle: California Braces for Energy Shortage Thru Labor Day
Breitbart ^ | 08/31/2022 | JOEL B. POLLAK

Posted on 08/31/2022 6:20:43 AM PDT by ChicagoConservative27

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To: Leaning Right

It’s progress huh Moe.


61 posted on 08/31/2022 7:38:07 AM PDT by Vaduz ( )
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To: ChicagoConservative27

The country is going insane, and the dems are pushing us back into,the stone age bit by bit. Common sense is out the window, anad insanity is taking over!


62 posted on 08/31/2022 7:41:16 AM PDT by Bob434 (question)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

“Moving to an all-electric vehicle fleet by 2035 would require the energy grid to expand its capacity by 30%, the Chronicle notes — a goal that officials say feasible within ten years.”

If the guesstimate is 10 years, 20 years is probably closer to reality.


63 posted on 08/31/2022 7:43:24 AM PDT by MulberryDraw (Stop trusting in man, who has but a breath in his nostrils. Of what account is he?)
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To: Bob434

And for some reason much of Europe is following the insanity.


64 posted on 08/31/2022 7:46:10 AM PDT by kelly4c
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To: I want the USA back
Will the California public ask themselves: “Hey! We have blackouts now. They want all cars to be electric. There’s not enough electricity now. It can only get worse.”

They are just not that smart. They are sheep who follow the flock.

65 posted on 08/31/2022 7:50:51 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (THE ISSUE IS NEVER THE ISSUE. THE REVOLUTION IS THE ISSUE.)
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To: Tell It Right

“I got solar panels with a 25-year warranty

Is the installer of your solar array still in business?

The reason I ask, is that the solar installer my daughter/son in law used in NH six years ago is now out of business.
Also, the DC/AC converter usually only comes with a 10 year warranty.


66 posted on 08/31/2022 7:51:20 AM PDT by woodbutcher1963
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To: ChicagoConservative27

just think what it’s gonna be like in 2026 when supposedly 35% of all vehicles are EVs!


67 posted on 08/31/2022 7:58:56 AM PDT by catnipman (In a post-covid world, ALL "science" is now political science: stolen elections have consequences)
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To: dfwgator

Their elites will all have off the grid, high speed diesel powered chargers in their homes. The rules don’t apply to them.


68 posted on 08/31/2022 8:02:00 AM PDT by JohnBovenmyer (Biden/Harris press events are called dodo ops)
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To: dfwgator

“Just wait until everyone is forced to have an EV, there will be some kind of rationing, like you will only be allowed to charge your car during certain hours, and if the battery runs out before, tough titties!”

it’ll be more like watering restrictions: you’ll only be allowed to charge your EV one day a week ...


69 posted on 08/31/2022 8:02:42 AM PDT by catnipman (In a post-covid world, ALL "science" is now political science: stolen elections have consequences)
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To: kelly4c

i think they drink from the same well as we do-


70 posted on 08/31/2022 8:08:39 AM PDT by Bob434 (question)
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To: I want the USA back

they all assume the gov will solve the problem.


71 posted on 08/31/2022 8:11:13 AM PDT by Jonny7797
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To: woodbutcher1963
My panels warranty is with the panel maker Mission Solar in Texas. The warranty doesn't cover labor (the local installer).

Yes, my inverters also have a 10-year warranty. As does my variable speed heat pump and my hybrid water heater (heats the water tank uber efficiently with a built-in heat pump). My batteries have a 19-year warranty (unfortunately those were made in Cheyna). Obviously the other energy improvements I did to the house like adding insulation and sealing gaps don't have a warranty, but won't break down.

Assuming a 3% inflation rate in the energy costs I'm avoiding, the energy savings will pay for the costs on about the 10th year, that includes paying interest on the HELOC I took out to pay for almost all of it (taking advantage of sky high real estate prices adding equity to my home, but uber low fixed interest rate). That also assumes a slight degradation in power throughput (my panels' 25 year warranty guarantees to still be producing 70% in the last year, my batteries have a 19-year/50% warranty)... so each year I'm pulling a little more from the grid than I did the year before. But also each year the cost per kWh is going up --- so what I'm still avoiding having to buy saves me more money the next year than what I'm having to buy extra the next year (as my equipment slowly degrades and I have to buy more power each year). Meanwhile, my HELOC payment goes down each year (as the HELOC balance is paid down). Thus it costs me less money next year (the "cost" being the HELOC payment) to save more money next year (avoiding power, natural gas, and gasoline prices saves me more money next year than avoiding those this year).

Once I realized that, I realized this was a way to reduce how the Dims control my wife and me with their energy policies. See, I don't think the Dims will have hard rules like outright banning gasoline or outright banning natural gas or outright banning power. I think they do it like killing a frog with slow boiling water by making energy more expensive and harder to come by. If I can win the battle over the costs, even if I'm not 100% off-grid, I win the battle of how they use energy to control us. That's why the energy portion of my budget (including the HELOC payment) is like it's still year 2019. I've effectively canceled the past 3 years' worth of energy inflation as far as making it unable to eat up my retirement savings. I wish I could do that with other inflation like food costs.

72 posted on 08/31/2022 8:18:55 AM PDT by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: dfwgator

To your point, maybe 5% of cars in CA are EVs and they are ALREADY telling those people “don’t charge your car.”

This is insane.


73 posted on 08/31/2022 8:22:51 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (“May your neighbors respect you, trouble neglect you, angels protect you and heaven accept you”)
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To: Tell It Right

Did you ever consider a free standing array?
Or one of those arrays that swivels on a post and tracks the sun?

The reason I ask, is that is what I would do IF I decide to put in solar.
I have about 12 acres. I have an open field to the north side of my house. I would place the array on the northern most edge of that field facing due south. I would have to cut down some additional Oak trees to add solar gain in the morning and late afternoon.

I assume those arrays are more expensive than one that goes on your roof. Especially the tracking pole mounted systems.

I have watched multiple YouTube videos. I do not see why I could not do 90% of the installation myself. Then hire an electrician fan to hook it up.


74 posted on 08/31/2022 8:29:33 AM PDT by woodbutcher1963
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To: Skid289
Crazyfornia already banned gas generators, starting in 2024:

I should have guessed. Not that such a ban would actually stop people from having them. California truly is the land of idiocy.
75 posted on 08/31/2022 8:31:43 AM PDT by Antoninus (Republicans are all honorable men.)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Ha! Ha!


76 posted on 08/31/2022 8:35:16 AM PDT by Parmy
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To: ChicagoConservative27

California Braces for Energy Shortage Thru Labor Day!

Don’t Charge that Electric Vehicle: California Braces for Energy Shortage Thru Labor Day!

The Sacramento Bee reported Tuesday (emphasis added):

Hoping to avoid blackouts, the California Independent System Operator, which manages the state’s power grid, warned Tuesday that it probably will issue a series of Flex Alerts over the next several days. Flex Alerts are voluntary calls for conservation during the afternoon and evening hours, when energy use tends to soar. Residents will be asked to turn up their thermostats to 78 degrees or higher, avoid using dishwashers or other large appliances, and hold off on charging their electric vehicles, all during the 4-9 p.m. time frame.

Already, the grid manager has issues a “restricted maintenance operations” notice starting Wednesday — a directive telling power generators and transmission line operators to delay routine maintenance that would take generating or transmission equipment offline.

(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com …


We got an early warning on this upcoming request last weekend. We have 2 relatives in charge of people, who use a lot of electricity doing their jobs from 7 am to 5 pm or later.


77 posted on 08/31/2022 9:04:23 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Anyone, who can make you believe in absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.!" ~ (Voltaire)!!)
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To: dfwgator

They will simply program into the car when it is allowed to charge.

In the meantime, they can probably use our Smart Meters to control the time of use and how much to charge your EV.


78 posted on 08/31/2022 9:09:24 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Anyone, who can make you believe in absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.!" ~ (Voltaire)!!)
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To: V_TWIN

” Homeowners insurance companies in my state are beginning to drop homeowners that have roof mounted solar panels citing it compromises the integrity of the roof structure..even if I wanted to invest in solar panels (which I don’t) I doubt my insurance company would allow it.”

That apparently is happening out here in Californicator land.

A couple of years a super rich guy with more money than common sense had planned to have solar installed in his big mansion home for 2 people.

So he had a 100 yard long garden by 30’ wide covered with solar panels.


79 posted on 08/31/2022 9:19:09 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Anyone, who can make you believe in absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.!" ~ (Voltaire)!!)
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To: woodbutcher1963
I agree that free standing arrays are better than roof mounted arrays if you have enough open space. I have no open space on my land facing south (towards the equator) before hitting a tree line -- especially during the winter when the sun hangs low in the sky. Thus for me the roof was the only option (no shade on my roof, part of having a two-story house and my panels see the sun directly way above the tree line). Ground arrays mean easier to clean.

I don't like the tracking system unless you're talking about the vertical ones (manually adjusting only twice per year to go from winter angle to summer angle and back). The horizontal ones will be done automatically -- to me that means something that can break down. I think you get more bang for your buck by spending extra money to buy more panels and inverters to get more goody from the panels standing at a fixed position, than by trying to get more goody spending the extra money on an automated tracking system that can break down. My entire system has no moving parts (unless you count the fans within my inverters). No moving parts to me means less chance of breakdown.

Yes, I think you can do most of the work yourself with a ground array. But probably more important than that is doing most of the research yourself to make sure you're not getting scammed in what you buy. It may be that solar isn't good for your situation anyway. And if it is it may be you can do better with different panels, inverters, and batteries than what someone else wants to sell you. This is the kind of project that requires a deep dive into your own power consumption habits, how much you buy from the grid in different months of the year, how long you plan to live there, if you have plans to change your power consumption habits (i.e. have kids and buy an EV), how much peak solar hours you get per day per month in your area (this tool turned out to be spot on for me: http://tsi.tyconsystems.com/html/nrel_lookup.htm), etc.

Look up a history of weather patterns in your area, like how often you have high temp days (read: need more power to run A/C) on days that are sunny vs high temp days that are cloudy. The same with low temp days if you have an electric heater. It turns out that in my area, the blazing hot days are almost always sunny days and the bitter cold days ("bitter cold" for Alabama LOL) are also almost always sunny days. So even if I can't "win" the power battle on cloudy days, those don't tend to be my high power consumption days anyway (I don't have to run the A/C or heater much on those days). So those days don't add to my power bill much -- winning the high power consumption days are what helps me win the battle over costs and I can do that because those are sunny days. But if the weather patterns in your area aren't like that, then solar isn't good for you unless you're willing to buy a lot of battery backup to store power from sunny days that you can use during cloudy high consumption days.

And under no circumstances do you fall for the line of selling power back onto the grid. Not only are most states starting to add a high monthly "solar fee" for the privilege of buying power from you at a very low rate (thus making it cost prohibitive to put power onto the grid), but the very act of putting power onto the grid would make you automatically a "power generator" in solar legal-ease. That adds restrictions onto you like a requirement that your home solar power shuts off automatically whenever the grid power goes down. In some states you're required to let the power utility manage your system remotely. Nope. I don't put power onto the grid. In fact, I paid a little extra for inverters to have the "no output" option (sometimes called "zero report"). As far as my power utility is concerned I'm a normal power consumer like everybody else except I draw a lot less power from the grid than most people. To them I'm like a retired person away from home traveling a lot who completely shuts off the main when leaving home for a while, and when he does come home and use the power he usually lives almost like a hermit needing little power.

80 posted on 08/31/2022 9:39:34 AM PDT by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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