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Thousands more secret JFK files including 'smoking-gun proof of a CIA operation involving Lee Harvey Oswald' are set to be released next week after President Biden delayed making them public
UK Daily Mail ^ | 12/08/2022 | David Averre

Posted on 12/08/2022 10:40:56 AM PST by DFG

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To: Boogieman

George Bush was a 100 miles away in Tyler.


61 posted on 12/08/2022 1:51:37 PM PST by mfish13 (Elections have Consequences.)
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To: Overtaxed

Through soft tissue at first, where it slows and starts to tumble. When it hit Connaly’s bones it was turned and hit on the bottom of the bullet. Exactly what you see here.


62 posted on 12/08/2022 1:53:44 PM PST by mfish13 (Elections have Consequences.)
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To: waredbird

Yes, that was also part of the ballistics/autopsy report. The bullets that Oswald was firing would not have left the fragments in Kennedy’s brain.

Also, the hole in the back of his head matched the diameter of the round used by the SS weapon. The whole was SMALLER in diameter than the round fired by Oswald’s weapon.

The whole coverup was because the Secret Service agent accidentally killed the POTUS. That was why they covered up and took over at Parkland hospital. Their rookie agent had killed the President.


63 posted on 12/08/2022 1:54:10 PM PST by woodbutcher1963
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To: woodbutcher1963

That’s one plausible explanation, there are others.

My father was a sniper/small arms specialist during the Korean War. He often participated in competitions between snipers including between teams in the service, and collecting and shooting guns was his lifelong hobby.

His was confident at the time that the weapon that Oswald was supposedly caught using was completely incapable of producing such a tight pattern at that distance, no matter who was wielding the weapon.

He never went beyond that analysis, but of that, he seemed quite certain.


64 posted on 12/08/2022 1:57:02 PM PST by Golden Eagle (The LGBTQ agenda is designed to outlaw the Bible, and anyone who follows it.)
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To: woodbutcher1963

And what about the driver of that vehicle and the other SS person in the front seat? You know, the ones who had their ear drums ruptured when that gun went off right behind them.


65 posted on 12/08/2022 1:57:37 PM PST by mfish13 (Elections have Consequences.)
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To: Boogieman
Ok, you made me go back and look it up. ( My source is Bugliosi’s book: Reclaiming History). Samuel Ballen is Mohrenschildt’s ( a character I don’t fully understand) friend who interviewed Oswald for a position at Electrical Log Services, but did not hire him. LHO then got the job through the Texas Unemployment office at JCS. (Chiles is the C) You may want to double check your source to see if there is a conflict in these stories.

I long believed Oswald did not act alone, or was used by others as a scapegoat. Bugliosi’s book (yes, read the whole thing) convinced me otherwise to a 95% certainty.

The 5% uncertainty factor is due to Bugliosi’s ridiculing of Hugh MacDonald’s book ‘appointment in Dallas’. I believe MacDonald was worthy of more than just some snide comment and a ridiculing.

66 posted on 12/08/2022 2:01:23 PM PST by Michael.SF. ( The problem today: people are more concerned about feelings than responsibility)
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To: mfish13

If George Bush was in Tyler, then why did he tell the Houston office of the FBI that he was traveling to Dallas on 11/22/63 to stay at the Sheraton hotel and would be RETURNING to Tyler on 11/23/63?:

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/521291725601038266/


67 posted on 12/08/2022 2:05:59 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: DFG

Lee Harvey Oswald was a marxist Anti American fanatic.

He wanted the Soviets to help him or at least be impressed with his assassination of a US President.

Every conspiracy effort to deny this overarching reality is part of the larger anti-American education project all the way into various iterations of Critical Theory.

America is evil so America killed its own President because America is a loathsome political creature that unlike Marxism is completely awesome.

Dallas to this day labors under the pathology that the city and its conservative and Republican roots for all practical purposes killed Kennedy. Its all anti American nonsense designed to keep the public from ever grounding themselves on the reality that Marxism is truly malicious and evil.

LHO was evil and marxist. He killed Kennedy. It wasn’t Ted Cruz’s dad or George Bush’s dad. All of those are anti American fantasies.


68 posted on 12/08/2022 2:20:09 PM PST by lonestar67 (America is exceptional)
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To: Michael.SF.

Alright, looking into this further, it looks like we are both kind of correct. Oswald’s employment at JCS was officially arranged through the Dallas unemployment office, BUT de Mohrenschildt’s wife (or ex-wife) and his daughter both testified that George de Mohrenschildt was responsible for arranging the job for him:

“In October 1962, de Mohrenschildt told Oswald that he would have a better chance of finding work in Dallas, after Oswald informed de Mohrenschildt that he had lost his job in nearby Fort Worth, Texas. Oswald was soon hired by the Dallas photographic firm of Jaggars-Chiles-Stovall. George de Mohrenschildt’s wife and daughter would later say that it was George de Mohrenschildt who secured the job at Jaggars-Chiles-Stovall for Oswald.Summers, Anthony. Not in Your Lifetime, (New York: Marlowe & Company, 1998), p. 158. ISBN 1-56924-739-0 “

Other sources I’m looking at say that Georges’ wife and daughter told this to the Warren Commission, but that’s a lot of testimony to wade through so I don’t have the exact reference right now.


69 posted on 12/08/2022 2:24:28 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman
Jaggars-Chiles-Stovall,

His employment there was brief, at the least, from Oct. 1962 - Apr. 1963 as a photo print trainee when he was fired.

But just to prove I’m not making this up, here is a government document :

Kudos to you, but your argument fails to address the brief time he worked there and where he was employed afterwards.

All conspiratorial BS on your part and the other assassination nuts who go to bed hoping and praying there was some connection between Oswald and the CIA..........

Give it up bro.....

70 posted on 12/08/2022 2:34:29 PM PST by Hot Tabasco
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To: Hot Tabasco

“His employment there was brief, at the least, from Oct. 1962 - Apr. 1963 as a photo print trainee when he was fired.”

Funny that you seem to be an expert now when you just said the claim he could have even worked for such a place was “nonsense”.

“your argument fails to address the brief time he worked there and where he was employed afterwards”

My argument fails to address things you just now brought up? Gee, that’s stupefying. How could that be?

“hoping and praying there was some connection between Oswald and the CIA..........”

There are literally dozens of connections between Oswald and the CIA. I’m sure you will say they are “nonsense” too, but people who are actually knowledgeable about this case probably wouldn’t.


71 posted on 12/08/2022 2:42:41 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman; Hot Tabasco
“Connections with the CIA” is a very vague term. Considering his Russian connections and his ‘fair play for Cuba’, one would expect that both the CIA and FBI had ‘connections’ with him and had at one time or another observed him for some periods of time.

However, if he was working with or for the CIA why did he: take a crap job in metal shop in Ft. Worth or a minimum wage job in Dallas? Why did he stay at the YMCA for a short period of time and later move his wife in with him at a S-hole apartment? he obviously was not receiving money from them, so thinking he was a paid assassin USA huge stretch.

72 posted on 12/08/2022 2:59:17 PM PST by Michael.SF. ( The problem today: people are more concerned about feelings than responsibility)
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To: Pete Dovgan

Now do Eric Shartwell and BangBang FangFang.

Or Mitch McCuckold and his Chinese-family wife.

Or DiFiChiSpy and her chauffeur.


73 posted on 12/08/2022 3:47:07 PM PST by grey_whiskers ( (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.))
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To: NicoDon
You are missing the fact that our government does not need to tell you why they will protect information.

I held a Top Secret security clearance in the USAF.   I never asked why we had to protect information.   I didn't even question when anything would be unclassified.   I have one concern that I wish would be declassified from forty five years ago.   I keep watching for news of it but probably never will.

The truth is we may never learn everything related the JFK's assassination, but even if we did, by the nature of investigating with all of the endless threads of information, any conclusion would only be conjecture anyway.

As you pointed out, this all happened 60 years ago.   I was ten years old and remember it well.   I watched it on TV as it unfolded, and years later, I stood on the sidewalk looking up at the window where LHO fired his rifle, and I already know all that I need to know.   A mentally disturbed and deranged Communist, Lee Harvey Oswald, acting alone, killed JFK.

As I said before, understanding human nature isn't Rocket Surgery, and Occam's razor wasn't created from whole cloth.   It's as simple as that.

74 posted on 12/08/2022 3:56:53 PM PST by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: Michael.SF.

“However, if he was working with or for the CIA why did he: take a crap job in metal shop in Ft. Worth or a minimum wage job in Dallas?”

Well, I don’t know that anyone can say he was working for them or in what capacity. There’s certainly a lot of coincidences and “connections” that are suggestive. But as to your question, Edward Jay Epstein (who is pretty loathed among JFK conspiracy types) did an interesting thing in his book “Legend”. He tried to estimate Oswald’s known income from all sources, his jobs, military salary, benefits, wife, etc, and also estimate what his expenses would have been over the few years before the assassination. He came to the conclusion that Oswald must have had some additional source of income that isn’t known in order to have been able to support himself, his wife and his child during that time.

Maybe he was just getting handouts from charities or loans from friends we don’t know about. Or maybe he was getting paid by someone “off the books”, and his jobs (that people like to point out he couldn’t hold for long) were just window dressing.

Personally, I don’t think the “Oswald was just a crazy communist” story has the ring of truth once you delve into all of his activities. He just doesn’t fit the typical mold of that type of person. He does seem to fit the mold of someone who might be recruited by an intelligence agency, not to be an “agent”, or even an assassin, but to be an infiltrator or provacateur, something like that perhaps.

Oswald wasn’t college educated. Not an intellectual. Not from a big northern or east coast city. Not involved in labor unions. Came from a Southern, military family. Joined Civil Air Patrol as a teenager. Joined the US Marines during time of conflict with the Communists. Didn’t have a criminal record. Didn’t have any known drug or sordid sexual habits. Didn’t have any known associations with radicals, radical groups, or foreign nationals until his defection - though there is record of unsuccessful attempts by him to contact/join radical groups AFTER he had met CIA asset David Ferry through the Civil Air Patrol in Louisiana, and CAP has been known to be one place that the CIA looks for potential recruits.

Those are just some of the major things that make me think Oswald looks more like someone pretending to be a Communist on behalf of some other organization than a real one.


75 posted on 12/08/2022 5:27:46 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: DFG

Will it support “Dr. Mary’s Monkey”?


76 posted on 12/08/2022 5:31:21 PM PST by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: Boogieman

You can get to Tyler in under an hour and a half. And back to Dallas.


77 posted on 12/08/2022 7:29:27 PM PST by mfish13 (Elections have Consequences.)
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To: Flick Lives

They had to make that turn to get to the freeway.


78 posted on 12/08/2022 7:51:52 PM PST by rxh4n1
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To: DFG

ping


79 posted on 12/08/2022 7:54:34 PM PST by SomeCallMeTim ( The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them!it)
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To: mfish13

Travel distance isn’t really the issue. The issue is a person claiming they weren’t at a certain place at a certain time and then finding a document where that person told the FBI they were going to be in a certain place at a certain time. Either they lied to the FBI back then, or they’re lying to the rest of us now.


80 posted on 12/09/2022 7:02:09 AM PST by Boogieman
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