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Explainer: Why is Russia Trying So Hard to Capture the Small Ukrainian City of Bakhmut?
The Moscow Times ^ | December 12, 2022 | James Beardsworth

Posted on 12/12/2022 2:04:22 PM PST by MinorityRepublican

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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

“It’s funny reading this thread and seeing 90% of the posts to be almost copy and pastes from Russian propaganda trolls.”

We would openly and gladly welcome your pro-Ukrainian spamming of propaganda, troll.

Chop chop.


21 posted on 12/12/2022 2:24:30 PM PST by cranked
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To: Renfrew

They have NOT up until now been trying to take it. Do I need to explain the concept of a siege?


22 posted on 12/12/2022 2:26:53 PM PST by Toad of Toad Hall (time is short and getting shorter)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

“It’s funny reading this thread and seeing 90% of the posts to be almost copy and pastes from Russian propaganda trolls.”

It’s even funnier seeing people like you gobble up MSM fake news who simply don’t know right from wrong.

Actually, it’s not funny. It’s pathetic.


23 posted on 12/12/2022 2:26:53 PM PST by Chunga85 (An arrogant govt combined with an ignorant population is a recipe for disaster.)
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To: cranked; MinorityRepublican

“If the Russians wanted to capture or take it, they already would have.”

Wait a minute. Bakhmut is part of Donbas and eastern Ukraine; that part of Ukraine that Russia “annexed.” So, Russia already “took it” when it annexed it; no? So, Russia is razing its own territory? If Ukrainian forces have been so thoroughly defeated (that’s what you propaganda peddlers keep telling us), why is Russia destroying its own?


24 posted on 12/12/2022 2:26:59 PM PST by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: ought-six

“why is Russia destroying its own?”

Civilians have long left.
As for the city/town:
To rebuild it into a better place.
Just like they have done with Mariupol, etc.

Denazification and demilitarization carries on as laid out in the SMO.

GG.


25 posted on 12/12/2022 2:29:19 PM PST by cranked
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Mxc9YgKawE

The Military Summary Channel has explained the war down to each unit for months now. Neither western or Russian propaganda, my go to every day.
Dima has explained the importance of Bakmut for weeks now.

Bakmut is becoming another Marioupol,a huge Ukie slaughter, need I say more?


26 posted on 12/12/2022 2:32:59 PM PST by delta7
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To: cranked

“If you can’t do that, go back to playing RISK...”

The closest YOU ever got to anything even remotely military was playing RISK. You have some chutzpah, kid.


27 posted on 12/12/2022 2:33:32 PM PST by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: ought-six

I had heard/read that you played RISK with Lumpofwhatever.

Is that true?


28 posted on 12/12/2022 2:34:26 PM PST by cranked
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To: Renfrew

Its that salt mine! Putin really wants that salt mine. He likes salt on his borche OR he plans to sentence Zelensky there when the war is over.


29 posted on 12/12/2022 2:35:20 PM PST by Forward the Light Brigade ( Ride to the sound of the Guns!)
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To: cranked

Neither side can sustain the war at the present rate much longer.


30 posted on 12/12/2022 2:36:08 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every leftist is a blood-thirsty fascist yearning to be free of current societal constraints.)
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To: rfp1234

Now that UAF are about to lose Bakhmut (defended by 30,000 troops), the narrative turns to making it “insignificant”.

Typical Ministry of Truth balderdash.

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Good to see you have not been hoodwinked by the corrupted western media narrative…..

Ukraine 1991-2023 RIP, the war ends on Vlad’s terms, not the West’s terms. The quicker the better.


31 posted on 12/12/2022 2:36:17 PM PST by delta7
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To: Chunga85

“MSM fake news”

If it was fake, Russia would have won in 3 days.

They didn’t, hence the unhinged posting and copium from FR’s resident retards.


32 posted on 12/12/2022 2:36:22 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Based upon what?
Sources?
Links?


33 posted on 12/12/2022 2:36:32 PM PST by cranked
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To: cranked; Greetings_Puny_Humans

If you want to have some fun read this thread:

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4100542/posts

It’s cranked months ago rolling out the exact same talking points that Bakhmut is about to fall.

Back in October he claimed:

“the main units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine began to leave Artemovsk (Bakhmut)”

So cranked, do you admit you were you wrong then? And if so why should we believe you now?


34 posted on 12/12/2022 2:36:46 PM PST by Renfrew
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To: rfp1234

“””BTW, the Moscow Times is a genuine opposition newspaper. Is the Russian press freer than the American press?”””

Moscow Times headquarters were relocated to Amsterdam in the Netherlands in response to restrictive media laws passed in Russia after the invasion of Ukraine. The website was later banned in Russia.


35 posted on 12/12/2022 2:37:34 PM PST by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: cranked

But you have been telling us that there are no Ukrainian forces left in eastern Ukraine to put up any fight at all, and that they have all been thoroughly defeated. Or, are you claiming that Russia needs to destroy Bakhmut in order to save it?


36 posted on 12/12/2022 2:37:36 PM PST by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: MinorityRepublican

The Ukrainian defences have this city as a lynchpin of their entire defensive positions. Today the commander of the 93d Bde was wounded and both he and his unit are evacuating from the city.


37 posted on 12/12/2022 2:37:43 PM PST by Jumper ( )
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To: cranked

I think that is a adequate reason to defend and value territory.

As others have pointed out, it’s also a meat grinder for the Russian Army. The battle for Stalingrad was so bitterly fought at least in part because if its symbolic value. The crossing of the Rhine in 1945 was a symbolic and propaganda set back for the Nazis. It’s hard to pretend that you are winning the enemy is on your soil.

People will fight to defend their homes, and their home country. Wars are won by tactics and strategy, but symbolism and morale cannot be discounted.


38 posted on 12/12/2022 2:38:37 PM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit.)
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To: cranked

You wish.


39 posted on 12/12/2022 2:38:50 PM PST by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: Renfrew

Projections are a dime a dozen and can be both right or wrong.

That acknowledged.

When you going to acknowledge the hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians that are KIA and as casualties never to return to the battlefield and the utter amount of losses to military hardware Ukraine has suffered?

Get back with me then, kthx.


40 posted on 12/12/2022 2:38:51 PM PST by cranked
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