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Michael Caine Blasts “xxxxxxxx” Criticism of ‘Zulu’
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Posted on 03/11/2023 10:11:08 AM PST by nickcarraway

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To: Yo-Yo

I just watched the movie for the first time and that scene seemed odd to me too.

However, I think it showed the discipline that was instilled in the troops. The same discipline and training that was evident in the last scene of the film that allowed this small group of Brits to prevail in the battle.


61 posted on 03/11/2023 12:54:25 PM PST by 21twelve (Ever Vigilant. Never Fearful.)
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To: ansel12

WOW!


62 posted on 03/11/2023 1:02:05 PM PST by miserare ( Free Jacob Chansley!)
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To: miserare

He spent a lot of time in Korea and judging from those two stories, he saw it all.

A way that I describe Caine as an actor is how he doesn’t even need costuming to be convincing, they could pull him in from the golf course and throw him into a western and he would still make his character fit.


63 posted on 03/11/2023 1:14:10 PM PST by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: nickcarraway

THAT was one great film. And it was hardly white supremacism In the actual event, the raid on Rorke’s Drift, was unauthorized by Shaka Zulu, strategically ill-advised and tactically poorly executed. That was a leadership failure by Prince Dabulamanzi, King Shaka’s half-brother, who was apparently trying to make a name for himself. Still, the Zulus had real courage, and honor, and are so depicted.


64 posted on 03/11/2023 1:25:26 PM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit.)
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To: Jim W N
the film Zulu was based on actual facts, it was.one of two attacks. the other the British army was destroyed. the attack at Roarks Drift was actually on British controlled land in Africa. that attack was forbidden by the Zulu king but they went ahead anyway. the other attack Islamabad was Zulu lands.
65 posted on 03/11/2023 1:26:07 PM PST by Ronald77
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To: JohnBovenmyer

A couple of The VC crosses that were given out for Roarke’s Drift are in the British Army Museum in the far left first row of VC cross members for those that wish to specifically see them.


66 posted on 03/11/2023 1:27:15 PM PST by vetvetdoug
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To: nickcarraway

https://www.military-history.org/soldier-profiles/the-zulu-warriors.htm


67 posted on 03/11/2023 1:27:50 PM PST by CFW (old and retired)
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To: nickcarraway

I’ll have to look into the movie. I’d never heard of it before.


68 posted on 03/11/2023 1:31:48 PM PST by gitmo (If your theology doesn't become your biography, what good is it?)
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To: House Atreides

“..Wakanda supersonic aircraft..”

You mean that one that was on the interstellar mission?


69 posted on 03/11/2023 1:41:03 PM PST by Reily (!!)
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To: nickcarraway

They despise the overarching storyline.

A small output of British troops defend themselves from waves of African fighters, in this case Zulus. They beat off the attacks, killing 100s of the black African fighters.

For them the very idea of such a movie is hateful symbolism of white supremacy.


70 posted on 03/11/2023 1:56:01 PM PST by LuxAerterna
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To: Yo-Yo

“I haven’t seen Zulu in a very long time. I’ll have to go watch it again. But the thing that sticks with me is the rear supply Sergeant who insisted that the soldiers drawing additional ammunition had to settle down and cue up properly.”

That scene was from “Zule Dawn.”


71 posted on 03/11/2023 2:17:36 PM PST by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

“I am surprised no one has gone after another good movie, Cornel Wilde’s THE NAKED PREY.”

That was a powerful movie. I saw it at the theater when it was first released in 1965/1966.

It is basically the story of John Colter moved from the American frontier to Africa.


72 posted on 03/11/2023 2:29:01 PM PST by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: Reily

“It’s based on an American frontier incident involving Hugh Glass. Which was done recently by Leonardo “What’s-His-Face” in “The Revenant “.(I think I have the name of the movie right!) First time it was done was I think wa as a “Wagon Train” episode.”

No, it’s based on John Colter and his run from the Blackfeet.


73 posted on 03/11/2023 2:30:23 PM PST by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: nickcarraway

Here are snippets of bios from some of the other actors in ZULU, it seems that many actors used to be men before they were actors.

Hawkins joined the Royal Welch Fusiliers in 1940, was commissioned and served with the Second British Division in India. In 1944 he was seconded to GHQ India and soon afterwards succeeded to the command, as a colonel, of ENSA administration in India and South East Asia. He was demobilized in 1946.

Booth served as a captain in the British army before becoming an actor.
Turned down Michael Caine’s role in Alfie (1966).

During the time Nigel Green served in the Korean conflict, he sustained a head injury which required the insertion of a metal plate at the front of his skull. Unfortunately throughout his life, the actor suffered from chronic bouts of depression as a result of this war wound. In addition, the plate induced severe headaches and these grew worse over time.

Ivor Emmanuel was just 14 his father and mother, sister and grandfather, were killed by a stray German bomb that hit his home village. Virile Welsh singer who worked as a coal miner as a teen before singing.

Paul Daneman from 1943-47, he served in RAF Bomber Command, where he performed in amateur dramatics which led him to further pursue acting interests.

Richard Burton and Warren Mitchell were Royal Air Force cadets together at Oxford in 1944. In the years 1944-1947, when both were demobilized

Richard Davies worked in the mines at the age of fourteen, then served as a military policeman during World War Two before joining the Old Vic.


74 posted on 03/11/2023 2:32:57 PM PST by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: ought-six

Ok if you say so.
I read otherwise. My source could be wrong.


75 posted on 03/11/2023 2:38:27 PM PST by Reily (!!)
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To: Reily

Point is the story isn’t African in origin.


76 posted on 03/11/2023 2:39:06 PM PST by Reily (!!)
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To: ought-six
That scene was from “Zule Dawn.”

By golly I believe you're right.

Quartermaster scenes from Zulu Dawn (cued to the ammunition issuing scene):

https://youtu.be/Kp3mnb6R2lY?t=185

77 posted on 03/11/2023 2:40:23 PM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /Sarc tag really necessary? Pray for President Biden: Psalm 109:8)
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To: Reily

“Ok if you say so. I read otherwise. My source could be wrong.”

Sorry, but your “source” is definitely wrong.


78 posted on 03/11/2023 2:42:05 PM PST by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: ought-six

NP
I’ve had wrong sources before.
Probably will again.


79 posted on 03/11/2023 2:44:25 PM PST by Reily (!!)
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To: Ronald77

“the film Zulu was based on actual facts, it was.one of two attacks. the other the British army was destroyed. the attack at Roarks Drift was actually on British controlled land in Africa. that attack was forbidden by the Zulu king but they went ahead anyway. the other attack Islamabad was Zulu lands.”

You have your continents mixed up. Rorke’s Drift was in Natal, South Africa, in 1879; Islamabad is in Pakistan. Perhaps you are confusing it with Isandlwana?


80 posted on 03/11/2023 2:46:50 PM PST by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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