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Scott Ritter: Why Russians do not trust the West
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Posted on 03/31/2023 11:00:18 PM PDT by ganeemead

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To: Stepan12
Ad-hominim is a very old logical fallacy.

Peter Tchaikovsky was considered a pervert just for being queer and was ordered by the tsar to commit suicide and did.

Nonetheless, if I had some complicated question involving music and my choice was to ask Peter Tchaiikovsky about it, or to ask you or UMCRevMom@aol.com about it, which way do you think that one would go??

41 posted on 04/01/2023 6:15:26 AM PDT by ganeemead (Ukraine/Zelensky: Adding an element of chutzpah to ordinary Nazism...)
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To: All
Here is another real expert noting that Ukraine has no chance in this business. i.e. that the math and the real factors just are not there for them. That also implies that hoho leaders are a bunch of criminhals willing to get any number of hohos killed or maimed in order to enrich themselves with no possible benefit to the ukrainian nation.
42 posted on 04/01/2023 6:21:03 AM PDT by ganeemead (Ukraine/Zelensky: Adding an element of chutzpah to ordinary Nazism...)
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To: MayflowerMadam

Worry not—at the end of the war the Russia-Chinese-Iran Axis will select our new Republic Government for what is left of America. Maybe three nations will take the place of the USA, Pacifica, Dixie, and Federal America. Even Canada will be cut in two. California will be ran by the ACP (American Communist Party—Not much change here) and all of the Pacific States. May include British Columbia and southern Alaska (rest with all the oil goodies—goes to Russia with its new capital of Petrograd (Formerly Fairbanks)


43 posted on 04/01/2023 6:22:28 AM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade ( Ride to the sound of the Guns!)
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To: ganeemead

Well one reason the Russians—and everybody else—do not and can not trust the West is because the West has descended into madness, into woke insanity, wild instability, and utter lunacy. Nobody can trust anything like that.


44 posted on 04/01/2023 6:42:55 AM PDT by Savage Beast (A wise man is a truthful man, and vice versa. That's the difference between a wise man and a fool.)
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To: central_va

I think that is slowly morphing into existence with mass Exodus from CA — also NY and others. Hope so.

But at this moment there is no free country. I was so smug about being in TN, it being relatively free and all. Then some FReeper rained on my parade and said that every red state is just one stolen election away from blue. It’s true.

We’ll have to see what God has played for us.


45 posted on 04/01/2023 6:47:16 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam (Stupid is supposed to hurt.)
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To: ganeemead

In the early 1990’s when the USSR was being broken up. I believe Russia was ready and willing to have a peaceful coexistence with NATO and all the West. But subsequent US leadership kept violating the conference expectations and they drew further apart. One chance for a peaceful world.

Wishful thinking???

“NATO Expansion to the East
Russia’s primary over-arching demand re indivisable security guarantees and roll back of relentless NATO Expansion to the East:

Who Promised What to Whom on NATO Expansion? - (National Security Archives)

Declassified documents show security assurances against NATO expansion to Soviet leaders from: Baker, Bush, Genscher, Kohl, Gates, Mitterrand, Thatcher, Hurd, Major, and Woerner
U.S. Secretary of State James Baker’s famous “not one inch eastward” assurance about NATO expansion in his meeting with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev on February 9, 1990, was part of a cascade of assurances about Soviet security given by Western leaders to Gorbachev and other Soviet officials throughout the process of German unification in 1990 and on into 1991, according to declassified U.S., Soviet, German, British and French documents.

The documents show that multiple national leaders were considering and rejecting Central and Eastern European membership in NATO as of early 1990 and through 1991, that discussions of NATO in the context of German unification negotiations in 1990 were not at all narrowly limited to the status of East German territory, and that subsequent Soviet and Russian complaints about being misled about NATO expansion were founded in written contemporaneous memcons and telcons at the highest levels.

The documents reinforce former CIA Director Robert Gates’s criticism of “pressing ahead with expansion of NATO eastward [in the 1990s], when Gorbachev and others were led to believe that wouldn’t happen.” The key phrase, buttressed by the documents, is “led to believe.”
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46 posted on 04/01/2023 6:50:19 AM PDT by elpadre (nd )
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To: ganeemead

Cause we produce people like Scott Ritter?


47 posted on 04/01/2023 6:53:34 AM PDT by discostu (like a dog being shown a card trick)
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To: elpadre

Started with our meddling in the Balkans.


48 posted on 04/01/2023 6:53:37 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: ganeemead

Napolean, Hitler etc.

Biden is trivial compared to them


49 posted on 04/01/2023 6:54:44 AM PDT by bert ( (KWE. NP. N.C. +12) Juneteenth is inequality day )
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To: sauropod

Plus, I understand, our troops found that Iraqi troops were equipped with personal protective gear for WMD.


50 posted on 04/01/2023 7:00:11 AM PDT by elpadre (nd )
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To: MalPearce

Nothing you wrote matters since this isn’t about any agreement with the USSR. You missed the reasons by a mile. Dumb, just really dumb.

I can’t believe you are supporting child molesters and money laundering to the democrap party.


51 posted on 04/01/2023 7:53:51 AM PDT by CodeToad (No Arm up! They have!)
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To: Chad C. Mulligan

Doesn’t he live in a van down by the river?


52 posted on 04/01/2023 8:31:37 AM PDT by skepsel ("A cat is more intelligent than people believe, and can be taught any crime", Mark Twain.)
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To: ganeemead
Why would they?

The West promised no eastward expansion of NATO and have expanded NATO to the Russians borders.

We fomented a revolution in 2014 in Ukraine and turned Ukraine into hostile entity with the second largest military force in Europe.

The Russians sought peace in Ukraine after we setoff a civil war by negotating the Minsk Accords, which Ukraine sign. But, former Western leaders have admitted NATO that Ukraine signing was a ruse and they encouraged Ukraine to break the deal.

We and the Brits squashed a peace deal in March of last year that would ended the war.

We blew up the Nord Stream pipelines.

At every turn, we and NATO sought to fight and continue a proxy war with Russia.

53 posted on 04/01/2023 8:33:35 AM PDT by Kazan
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To: ganeemead

Ritter is right !


54 posted on 04/01/2023 8:37:28 AM PDT by sushiman
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To: ganeemead

Would a felony disqualify a person from having intelligence, knowledge, subject matter expertise, ability to make logical arguments? If you think so, would you think the same about Trump too?


55 posted on 04/01/2023 8:37:32 AM PDT by kp2hot
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

MacGregor and Ritter.

Like so many bots, trolls, and wannabes they seek fame a few bucks and will say almost anything to gain attention.

They usually stop short of being demonetized by Youtube for they want every shekel they can glom.

Just a couple of shills, nothing more.


56 posted on 04/01/2023 9:05:54 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT ( "The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last messa)
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To: ganeemead

It’s because Democrats are untrustworthy, corrupt and will do anything to retain power. They have nothing else to live for.


57 posted on 04/01/2023 9:07:43 AM PDT by Vision (Woke is communism and it has no place in America. Election Reform Now! Obama is an evildoer.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

“MacGregor and Ritter.

Like so many bots, trolls, and wannabes they seek fame a few bucks and will say almost anything to gain attention.

They usually stop short of being demonetized by Youtube for they want every shekel they can glom.

Just a couple of shills, nothing more.”

You are too kind.

I consider them both to be traitors.


58 posted on 04/01/2023 9:10:35 AM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com (Pray for God's intervention to stop Putin's invasion)
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To: ganeemead

Ritter is a convicted pedophile.

Just saying.

L


59 posted on 04/01/2023 9:12:33 AM PDT by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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To: CodeToad

I’m definitely not supporting any child molesters.

Can’t say the same about the people supporting Russia and its industrial scale child trafficking and forced adoptions though.

Money laundering to the democrap party - you do know why half the world hates America’s guts and the other half think you’re dumber than stumps? It’s because you actually think the Democrat party’s fingers in Uke pies figures into any of Moscow’s thinking at all, beyond what fuckwit story can the fuckwit contingent of the far right in the USA be conned into thinking.

Carly Simon could’ve written a song about ‘em - “You’re so vain, you probably think this war is about you.” Yeah, right. Eight million people didn’t flee an invasion that’s flattened six cities and a thousand towns, they fled because of Hunter’s f-ing laptop and a few dirty envelopes of money to the Bidens. Only a Russian could be so stupid as to make something that demented up.

Only a complete idiot would actually fall for it. Do you believe it? If yes, do you also need a London Bridge? ‘Cos I’ve got a 3 for 2 offer on them.

The Bidens made way more money out of Moscow and Beijing than they made out of Ukraine. Funny how the anti-war, anti-Biden, anti-corruption, pro-Russian lot never mention it though.

Or is it? Putin got elected on an anti-corruption ticket and between him and his chums the Moscow syndicate has embezzled over a trillion Rubles out of the country, as well as spending fifteen years conducting cyber warfare against America’s healthcare sector. “Look over there” sums up how they get away with it.

So let’s all focus on whatever pissant small potatoes chump change corruption was going on in Ukraine, eh. Instead of where the corruption REALLY was going on. In Moscow, in Washington, and in Beijing.


60 posted on 04/01/2023 9:12:38 AM PDT by MalPearce ("You see, but you do not observe". https://www.thefabulous.co/s/2uHEJdj)
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