Posted on 08/11/2023 6:21:58 AM PDT by devane617
So you say it's a big political loser, how is it that GOP Sen. Moran won re-election by nearly the exact same margin that the Kansas Amendment lost?
Or that the Montana GOP picked up 3 state senate seats and one in the statehouse? Or that MT GOP Reps. Zinke and Rosendale won easily? In fact, the Independent in Rosendale's race beat the Democrat! Where's the pro-abortion vote in that District? LOFL.
In Kentucky, Rand trounced Booger by 23 freaking points.
So, your assertion doesn't hold water.
WHO can stomach Sean Hannity is the bigger question.
Civil rights legislation is different but still an incremental legislative job. They took a real wrong and instead of just righting the initial wrong this could be another captive cause to advance an authoritarian agenda. They mounted an incremental PR campaign manipulating guilt to create a “privileged but controlled “ class. Unlike “privileged” classes of the past this one was very different. It was so much “privileged” but one that was controlled and manipulated. Manipulated by magnifying old wrongs & creating imaginary ones. All this was also done incrementally to create a permanent class of dependents that can be called out "politically" when needed. A modern version of the Roman Colosseum mob. It took 50-60years to go there. It didn't happen overnight as you imply.
Just an excuse to rig the election. The deep state will not be denied
I do not believe Americans enjoy murdering babies.
The anti-abortion voters were not all anti-abortion activists but pro-State Rights people leaving it to the states to decide and there are many of those as well but not as many as the anti-abortion voters. But they did help push this issue into a victory. To go back and try to federalize it will lose the State Rights voters.
I don’t think you can compare one region or state of the country with another region. The opposite would have happened in New York, California or Chicago.
The anti-abortion voters were not all anti-abortion activists but pro-State Rights people leaving it to the states to decide and there are many of those as well but not as many as the anti-abortion voters. But they did help push this issue into a victory. To go back and try to federalize it will lose the State Rights voters that’s the pivot.
Americans don’t need BIG Government to save us, they need GOD. Go out and sell Him.
I think she actually said that to George H. W. Bush.
A juvenile response from an old man.
LMAO, Wrong again punk.
I stopped listening to Vannity years ago. He’s rude and inconsiderate.
The Ohio GOP looks good usually because the Ohio Democrats are a complete sh*tshow and have been for over a decade.
This is still a blood red state but Issue 1 was so poorly communicated and they (the Ohio GOP) never really connected with the voter base on the issue.
Agreed, and that is exactly what happened in CA, IL, and MI -- they enshrined super-abortionality.
"The anti-abortion voters were not all anti-abortion activists but pro-State Rights people leaving it to the states to decide and there are many of those as well but not as many as the anti-abortion voters. But they did help push this issue into a victory. To go back and try to federalize it will lose the State Rights voters that’s the pivot."
I think that's right as well. My initial reply contained info that Ky Amendment 2 would have passed if it had just been restricted to preventing abortion funding, instead the rest of it was written in the negative (as so many referendum are by necessity) and that confuses voters.
Similarly, Kansas Amendment, which enabled prosecutions, damn near begged for them (prosecutions), and Arrowheads ridiculously think of KC as N'Orleans north, which combined with the KC ghetto absurdity of continuing their self-genocide at any costs, doomed that noble effort.
Montana was simply a one-off to, again, enable prosecutions in the hope of driving out the abbatoirs, rather than legislatively, commandingly, driving the snakes out of the temple. That will never happen in a state where Kalifornians have established a Moloch beachhead.
There's a difference between a ballot referendum, and a political candidate. The latter involves a wide array of issues that voters think about, whereas the former is straight-up about abortion and nothing else. And, again, since the Supreme Court's 2022 Dobbs abortion ruling, the anti-abortion movement has not won one single ballot referendum, including ones in pretty red states. That speaks volumes.
We need to be realistic about what’s possible politically & be honest with ourselves about what isn’t. I am avidly pro life & in any political forum, I will vote my conscience. That being said, I won’t pretend that everyone shares my point of view. I’m a realist about the fact that a majority position has to be reached by a population with a million different stances. I will also accept the reality that in certain locales, the best we might be able to get is a ban on second & third trimester abortions. If you don’t accept those sorts of things as a possible political realities- then you are living in a DreamWorks.
I’m thankful Roe was overturned. It was a terrible decision imposed by a politicized court. It was bad policy and bad case law. Nothing in the constitution confers a right T o an abortion. However, I still knew that overturning Roe was not going to benefit us in a political sense. For the most part it will be a wash, but in many cases- it may cause political headaches in certain races. I say take the hit. It’s temporary! The issue is now turned back to the states. While that is a moral success- it also might cause political headaches in low turnout elections & referendums for the next couple of years 😉
I don’t give a damn how much of the public has been indoctrinated by Satan and his minions, it’s unacceptable to murder babies. Period. THERE IS NO NEGOTIATION.
Forget your principles. Be political. Sell your soul for power.
I agree each state should decide
No, you don't get to move the goalposts. You specifically named "banning abortion" as "a big political loser", and directly, mistakenly tied that to the GOP losing in states where abortion referenda have had a vote:
"GOP has lost everywhere this has had a direct vote, including in states such as Montana, Kentucky, Kansas."
There's no other way to read that; and I proved you wrong in #81; and you lack the intellectual heft to move a traffic cone, much less a goalpost.
But let's cut to the chase: why is someone on Free Republic complaining about Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization smiting the unconstitutional Roe? What are you doing on Free Republic anyway?
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