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China just stopped exporting two minerals the world’s chipmakers need
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Posted on 09/22/2023 3:29:30 PM PDT by algore

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To: Paladin2
Who invented and built, in quantity, the first transistors and integrated circuits?

U.S.A. of course. I remember in the early 1960's building my own germanium radio as a 12-year-old boy in SF. That was back when schools taught smarts to kids. IC's came along a little later, from Silicon Valley nearby.

21 posted on 09/22/2023 6:17:31 PM PDT by roadcat
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I thought ICs came from Texas [Instruments].


22 posted on 09/22/2023 6:31:53 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Gen.Blather

Well said!


23 posted on 09/22/2023 6:32:52 PM PDT by BeauBo
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To: algore
Production of synthetic rubber in the United States expanded greatly during World War II since the Axis powers controlled nearly all the world's limited supplies of natural rubber by mid-1942, following the Japanese conquest of most of Asia, particularly in the Southeast Asian colonies of British Malaya (now Malaysia) and the Dutch East Indies (now Indonesia) from where much of the global supply of natural rubber was sourced.[6]
 


I guess we'll just have to find something else to use!

24 posted on 09/22/2023 7:03:59 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: BobL

well, our F35 fighter jets need lots of these chips things.


25 posted on 09/22/2023 7:05:24 PM PDT by algore
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To: Elsie

This is probably just the beginning .


26 posted on 09/22/2023 7:05:52 PM PDT by Irish Eyes
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To: XRdsRev
They buy the ore. “

From whom?

27 posted on 09/22/2023 7:07:15 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: algore

If western countries had any balls, they’d ban exports of coal to China for national security reasons.


28 posted on 09/22/2023 7:20:21 PM PDT by TheCipher ( RINO politicians in DC are the only reptiles in the world with no backbone)
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To: Gen.Blather

Mostly correct. But the Chinese export controls on Rare Earths started and ended long before Trump was involved in politics.

My company made a small fortune then.. as we found a way to circumvent the export restrictions.


29 posted on 09/22/2023 8:27:27 PM PDT by SomeCallMeTim
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About 58 percent of U.S. coal exports in 2021 went to five countries. The top five destinations of U.S. coal exports, the amount exported, and their percent shares of total coal exports in 2021 were:

India           —15.36 MMst—18%
China           —12.81 MMst—15%
Japan            —7.57 MMst— 9%
The Netherlands  —7.14 MMst— 8%
South Korea      —6.38 MMst— 8%

 

 

China coal Imports by Country 
European Union$34,693,700.00 
Taiwan$18,217,699.96 
South Korea$13,299,271.00 
Japan$12,836,029.32 
Australia$12,382,094.69 
Brazil$12,151,529.54 
United States$11,976,161.72 
Russia$11,515,041.33 
Germany$9,792,310.22 
Malaysia$8,679,362.01 
Vietnam$7,996,110.00 
Indonesia$6,395,576.36 
Saudi Arabia$5,851,193.00 
Thailand$4,097,447.48 
Canada$3,698,294.27 
Switzerland$3,657,459.00 
Chile$3,464,553.21 
United Arab Emirates$3,265,465.30 
total$183,969,298.41 
USA % 0.07 

30 posted on 09/23/2023 4:42:50 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Yep, and without coal imports China electrical output would shutdown. They need imported coal to survive.


31 posted on 09/23/2023 4:49:18 AM PDT by TheCipher ( RINO politicians in DC are the only reptiles in the world with no backbone)
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To: BobL

“Hard to see why we need ‘chips’ to defeat China. After all, ‘chips’ hadn’t even been invented for ALL of World War 2, and we STILL won.”

Hard to see? WWII was won due to high technology, from nuclear weapons, to radar, to torpedo controllers, to radios, everything we did to win relied on electronics.


32 posted on 09/23/2023 5:05:07 AM PDT by CodeToad
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“Hard to see? WWII was won due to high technology, from nuclear weapons, to radar, to torpedo controllers, to radios, everything we did to win relied on electronics.”

Of course, but I’m trying to take the position of the Operatives here who cannot find any fault with our wonderful president.


33 posted on 09/23/2023 6:44:05 AM PDT by BobL (I own an F150 so that I can tow my boat all day Saturday and look Manly)
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” wonderful president.”

I just threw up a little.


34 posted on 09/23/2023 7:46:56 AM PDT by CodeToad
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To: Paladin2
I thought ICs came from Texas [Instruments].

Extensive history surrounding William Shockley, and other creative geniuses in Silicon Valley. He won the Nobel Prize in 1956 for his work on semiconductors and the transistor. Stanford University set up a collaboration between the school and electronics firms in the area of Palo Alto. An excerpt:

"In 1955, Shockley left Bell Telephone Laboratories and formed his own company, Shockley Semiconductor Laboratories, of which he was director. In 1958 the company changed its name to Shockley Transistor Corporation and became a subsidiary of Beckman Instruments, Inc, in Palo Alto, California. From 1958 to 1963, he served in various capacities in that company until he officially joined the faculty of Stanford University in Palo Alto. In 1958 Shockley became a lecturer at Stanford University, and in 1963 he was appointed the first Alexander M. Poniatoff Professor of Engineering and Applied Science at the university, where he taught until his retirement in 1975.

Shockley held more than 90 patents in the field of semiconductors and wrote extensively in that field. Among his publications was Electrons and Holes in Semiconductors, published in 1950."

35 posted on 09/23/2023 12:02:37 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: XRdsRev

#18 Gallium was basically unknown until 1875 and even today it has few uses.

Shh... it is the key to warp drive.


36 posted on 09/23/2023 1:54:39 PM PDT by minnesota_bound (Need more money to buy everything now)
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Taiwan $18,217,699.96
South Korea $13,299,271.00
Japan $12,836,029.32
Malaysia $8,679,362.01
Vietnam $7,996,110.00
Indonesia $6,395,576.36
Thailand $4,097,447.48

These non western folks supply a LOT!


37 posted on 09/23/2023 5:24:34 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: minnesota_bound

Even more rare than the lithium we need for todays batteries are the di-lithium deposits required for the catalyst in the warp drive.

Oh, and the core of the flux-capacitors; too.


38 posted on 09/23/2023 5:26:53 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

By western, I should have been more specific. That includes those asian countries that have tensions with China. That includes Taiwan, Japan, South Korea, Vietnam. You add those into the mix they are not left with much. Even as things stand now , China is short on coal. A short while ago they had a dispute with Australia and banned their imports of coal. That didn’t last long and they caved. They couldn’t sustain the shortage.


39 posted on 09/23/2023 6:02:03 PM PDT by TheCipher ( RINO politicians in DC are the only reptiles in the world with no backbone)
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To: Gen.Blather

Ronald Reagan once famously said that if the Communists took over the Sahara Desert, it would be just a matter of time before there would be a shortage of sand. He might have said Liberals rather than Communists, but it is difficult to distinguish the two these days.


40 posted on 09/23/2023 8:45:54 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (The politicized state destroys aspects of civil society, human kindness and private charity.)
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